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MelanchOli

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#1 14 years ago

Some months ago, there was a discussion going on about the Tiger I's close-defense system (NBK39) http://www.gamingforums.com/showthread.php?postid=799804#post799804. I'd like to know if this is going to be implemented in FH - maybe even already in 0.62?

I basically think it would be a good idea to give the Tiger some means of fending off enemy infantry - considering the slow turret rotating rate and the grenades being rather ineffective against inf.

The NBK39 - cutting a long story short - is a 90 mm grenade launcher built into the Tiger's turret roof and being operated from inside. It fires HE grenades to make enemy infantry think twice about attacking the tank in close quarters. The grenade is launched and explodes only a few meters away from the tank, spraying bits and pieces of metal in a wide radius. It's like a hand grenade thrown by a tank.




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#2 14 years ago

yeah it would be pretty cool but did all Tigers have this? I would not mind if some few late war Tigers had this though...




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#3 14 years ago

Yes, I think this would be great, sure as hell would learn those damn expackfanatics to stay away from your tank. Obviously the ammo should be limited and only have something like 5-10 rounds. They have this in Silent Heroes although there the grenades are smokegrenades and not HE grenades.




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#4 14 years ago

It's in Battlegroup42 too, on the King Tiger - with a smoke and HE effect.




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#5 14 years ago

:uhm:

Im not too sure. The Tiger I and II are already powerful weapons of war, they are pretty protected from infantry as it is, and the grenade launcher would probably be used against other Tanks and vehicles....which is bad for the enemy, who already have a hard time.

Another problem is that the Tiger I and II have only a few weakness to infantry - flanking. Imagine a lone AT infantryman....he, after waiting ages for the right moment decides to do whatever he can to take out this threat. Instinct tells him to jump on the back of the monster of a tank and fire a bazooka at/plant an expack onto/ the tanks engine block. Problem is he cant do this because of a 90mm grenade launcher pointing at his face. Taking away the only weakness of these two killer tanks is a bad thing, gameplay wise....allied forces already have enough trouble with them.




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#6 14 years ago

i think EOD have it on one of theri tanks and it sucks but i am not saying it would uskc in FH :)




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#7 14 years ago

thats cuase on EOD there is really no way to aim it




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#8 14 years ago

Isnt it on the "Duster Buster" in EoD? I like the way it works but I hate scaraficing my machinegun. It should definately be the commanders option to fire that kind of stuff. I say add it. Its realistic afterall...




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#9 14 years ago

actually, i think it should be either the Hull MGers job or the AA MGer, that way the commaned can still fight




MelanchOli

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#10 14 years ago

Ply3r_17:uhm:

Im not too sure. The Tiger I and II are already powerful weapons of war, they are pretty protected from infantry as it is, and the grenade launcher would probably be used against other Tanks and vehicles....which is bad for the enemy, who already have a hard time.

Another problem is that the Tiger I and II have only a few weakness to infantry - flanking. Imagine a lone AT infantryman....he, after waiting ages for the right moment decides to do whatever he can to take out this threat. Instinct tells him to jump on the back of the monster of a tank and fire a bazooka at/plant an expack onto/ the tanks engine block. Problem is he cant do this because of a 90mm grenade launcher pointing at his face. Taking away the only weakness of these two killer tanks is a bad thing, gameplay wise....allied forces already have enough trouble with them.

Well, yes, you're right on that point. But the Tiger and the KT are supposed to be monsters of steel and infantry as well as tanks should fear them, if not even outright panic. IMHO tanks ought to be much more dangerous to infantry anyway than they are currently. IRL there was just about nothing infantry could effectively do to fight a Tiger - only at close range, if at all.

You are right in the point that this sort of weapon needs to be very much balanced so it does not destroy game play totally.

But my thought was to put those weapons not under the tank commander's control, but to, say, have the bow machine gunner control that NBK.

That way, in most cases, the situation would remain the way it currently is - since hardly any tank has more than one guy inside. And the practical value of the bow mg isn't that great atm. This might even bring a bit more team play into FH as the mg position might be used more often.

On the other hand, in FH currently it is way easier bringing a Tiger down by means of infantry than with a tank. This is not very realistic actually.

OK, to the major part this is due to lack of team play and infantry using bad tactics like not giving close support to tanks at all. But this NBK could be seen as some sort of representation to the escort infantry a tank had in WW2.

I'm not sure either how this feature could effectively implemented - the real weapon relied on fragmentation, which is hard to reflect in BF AFAIK. And I also think it should have some two or three shots at maximum - and maybe those shots should not even recharge near ammo crates?

It was just an idea, and I only wanted to hear people's opinions on this one. You've definitely got a good point that in terms of game balance this thing - if at all implemented - needs to be seriously checked not to make the Tiger I and II total "├╝ber weapons".

BTW: I don't know your sources, but I'm not sure if the King Tiger aka Tiger II really had the NBK. I can neither confirm nor deny you on that point.