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Mp5-Killa

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#11 16 years ago

Then let's have a stick about the subject?




NoCoolOnesLeft

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#12 16 years ago

It's the same story about the M4A1(76) Sherman. On the website it says it's only on two maps. I'm sure they should be more widespread than that.




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#13 16 years ago

Well, we are only talking about the M4A1 76(w) here. The A3 76 when/if it comes, will be on tons more maps.

There is only one reason why you see this few Panther Gs. Too few late war tank maps.

Now, call me crazy, but shouldn't the Ausf. G be in Sector 318? Right now you have two Panther Ds on that map. According to that list, there will be no Panthers on that map at all in .67.




Gauntlet

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#14 16 years ago
Evilsanta Panzerkampfwagen V Ausf. D, Panther (SdKfz 171), 850, Jan. 1943 - Sept. 1943 Panzerkampfwagen V Ausf. A, Panther, SdKfz 171, 2000, Aug. 1943 - May 1944 Panzerkampfwagen V Ausf. G, Panther (SdKfz 171), 3126, Mar. 1944 - Apr. 1945 By this you see that there should only be Panther A or G in 1944/1945.

Thats not for sure. Remember, even if they stopped produsing the "Dora" in sept. '43, it doesnt mean it were imidiate taken out of action. I guess lots of units, especially second-line units, used them long after they were taken out of production! roll%20eyes%20%28sarcastic%29.gif




pprimus

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#15 16 years ago

I guess most of the D's were used on the eastern front and most of them were destroyed, so there shouldn't be many D's left for 1944 maps. 44 maps should feature A's and G's and maybe a D's here and there. Just for the sake of realism and feeling :D




Evilsanta

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#16 16 years ago

Like pprimus said, Panther D should be quite rare in 1944/1945 maps. But the devs knows all this.




The Red Barron

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#17 16 years ago
'[11PzG USMA2010']Well, we are only talking about the M4A1 76(w) here. The A3 76 when/if it comes, will be on tons more maps. There is only one reason why you see this few Panther Gs. Too few late war tank maps. Now, call me crazy, but shouldn't the Ausf. G be in Sector 318? Right now you have two Panther Ds on that map. According to that list, there will be no Panthers on that map at all in .67.

Actually its 3 Panther Ds :D There is one sitting by the Jagdpanzer and Jagdpanther spawns. Remember I'm the mustang whore I know these things :0wned: The Panther Ausfuehrung G was produced by M.A.N in March of 1944 so in Sector, it should probably be prevalent. In early Panthers, it was realized their side armor was much to weak for what it would encounter on the Russian front and later the American/British theater, so the decision to add Schuerzen was implemented. This saved the Panther because if It could not resist shots on its sides it would have been taken out of production. Because as we all know it stayed in production, it must be assumed that it was sufficient to resist shots from the Sherman's 75 at normal battlefield ranges. Indeed, just look at first hand accounts by tankers during the war, many of them have said they saw a Mark V with an exposed side, fired a round, and watched it do no apparent damage.




pprimus

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#18 16 years ago

schurzen is no armor, that is just a thin (6mm or sth?!) metal plate which detonates HEAT rounds before they hit actual armor




The Red Barron

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#19 16 years ago

Yes, but they definatly did their job of defeating Russian 14.5mm anti tank rifles and American Bazookas. Also, Shermans had HE rounds loaded in most cases because their role was not to engage tanks but other infantry. Thus Schurzen would provide additional protection in these scenarios. Next, you must tank into the account that Panthers far outranged any Shermans and had much greater maneverability. If your first shot was a miss (I highly doubt you could flank a Panther with supporting troops) he will be able to turn his front armor toward you, or destroy you at a range where even a side hit will not penetrate, but a frontal hit from his 7.5 will knock your Sherman out. You must realize that a Sherman while able to penetrate the side armor, will have a very hard time actually getting their in the European battlefields without being spotted by something else and knocked out.




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#20 16 years ago

Both the Panther Ausf.A and Panther Ausf.G, would be suitable for Operation Goodwood and other post D-Day maps, the 12th SS Panzer Division and the 116th Panzer Division definately used Ausf.G's in Normandy. Panther Ausf.A1's were used by 4th Panzer Regiment until the end of the war, they were definately used at Anzio, i've got a book showing a British Sherman III or V passing a knocked out Panther D in northern Italy during late '44/ early '45. http://mythicpanzers.jexiste.fr/Files/Drawings/02-mPanzers/Panzer5-Panther/Panzer5_Panther-Ausf.A-Early.htm




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