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H2HSnake

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#61 15 years ago

quote"Germany,Britain,Italy, and 3 cool dudes - Poland,Australia,France kicking germans and italians while british thinks what they fu** up again in strategy lol then after some great fun with beating up Italians and Germans cool dudes leave for vacations,and british after some calculating and planning and tea 5 o clock tries again... lolz" maybe You were reffering to this. I never start this kind of threads(flaming ones) i make responses. "Someone said earlier something about "Canada saved your butts" but it got deleted or edited that's good because it was most lame sentence i've seen here.Most of the Allies had such battles that was very importand and crucial if won.So almost everyone can easily say My country saved your butts.Truth is every army/brigade/division was part of big allie war machine and their victories were more or less importand." it's my another quote from Canada thread.Since we dont' have proper forum with place to put our resources and knowledge,this "trash" will be still on general or suggestions. ..."instead of yeling stupid reasons,give some ideas of maps with historical resources,and details of the battles,give the name of divisions or brigades.Give proof" - still think that's better than just blank words , PUT MY COUNTRY in FH2 BECAUSE- BECAUSE!!,and that's what i am trying to do and show me thread where iam seriously bashing other country(except soviets).Oh and try to notice that there's no polish user that tries to defend Poland by bashing other country.It's only me but i am not bashing.Am I? if yes show me and I'll make Appologise.




Meadow

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#62 15 years ago

I mean no disrespect, H2H, but I would be much more obliged to reply to your points properly if your posts were better structured. Nonetheless, I shall try.

You were joking? Joking or not, it is a perfect example of some of the poop that has been flying around these forums as of late. You demand that I show you where you bashed other countries? Why should I do that, as I never said you personally were responsible. Someone's getting a bit self-important ;)

As for the part about 'put my country in FH2 BECAUSE BECAUSE' - I have honestly no idea what you are talking about. Are you agreeing with me? If so, kindly PM all the other Poles on the board and group your resources so we don't end up with umpteen threads in suggestions about obscure Polish pieces of equipment, which, while fascinating for FH2, will simply get lost by the time Poland is in the plan to be added.

Johannes, I am pleased to see you are willing to take up the gauntlet and make a France thread. If H2H, Polska, Pvt.Allen etc would like to make threads about their nations the suggestions forum would become much tidier. Perhaps one of the moderators could comment here, stating if he would be willing to sticky 'The France Suggestions Thread' or 'The Poland Suggestions Thread' etc?




jumjum

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#63 15 years ago

As far as inclusion decisions in FH2, I leave it to the devs, secure in the knowledge that historical accuracy trumps all. But that doesn't mean all history gets included in FH2, because it's a major undertaking to include a new nation, get their unis and equipment right, and then get a decently done map or three.

As for the expressions of "patriotism" which devolve into angry posts or insults against a particular nation, well, that's not patriotism...that's mere chauvinism. It's continued insults toward any nation that most people here object to. No, it's not Kumbayah World out there in which there are sinless nations, but that's not the point and not the purpose of "Yay for us" posts. But an expression of patriotism does not include "Your country sucks because it's so unbelievably (pick one: evil, imperialist, cowardly, deceitful, lazy, manipulative, drunken, greedy, selfish, capitalist, socialist, fascist, communist)!"

Just as misguided and damaging IMO are those posts which aren't "for" any particular country, they're just "against" one. Such attacks are so tiresome, if not downright offensive, because they carry such a strong whiff of self-righteousness and moral superiority. Never an attractive scent.

Closely related to the "against-ers" are those who equate expressions of pride in one's nation in general as at best hopelessly naive and jejeune, at worst evidence of objective fascism. Such attitudes have been with us for centuries, and taken to the extreme can lead one to a point when there is no country, institution or idea worthy of sacrifice. That's fine, just dispense with the anybody-who-believes-in-patriotism-is-such-a-maroon posts.

Personally I'm happy as a pig in slop for folks to talk up their country's history and accomplishments. For example, I've seen posts on Polish, French and Canadian contributions to WWII and stories of combat by those countires forces that have been wonderful. I can't see how anyone could find those offensive. No one here should ever feel that is inappropriate to praise his own country, list its accomplishments or discuss its history.

Just don't insult anybody else when they do the same. It's just basic good manners.




oscar989

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#64 15 years ago

It would be cool if the devs had a vote on which nation to do next and you couldn't vote for your own nationality/nationality's.




Grayfox3214

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#65 15 years ago

war is just like love , easy to start and hard to end

and in war nobody win or loss, we only loss and win a new futury

and if FH would make a hole new army for thes Patriots for 2 or 3 maps then the mod while nvr complete




Meadow

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#66 15 years ago

jumjumAs far as inclusion decisions in FH2, I leave it to the devs, secure in the knowledge that historical accuracy trumps all. But that doesn't mean all history gets included in FH2, because it's a major undertaking to include a new nation, get their unis and equipment right, and then get a decently done map or three.

As for the expressions of "patriotism" which devolve into angry posts or insults against a particular nation, well, that's not patriotism...that's mere chauvinism. It's continued insults toward any nation that most people here object to. No, it's not Kumbayah World out there in which there are sinless nations, but that's not the point and not the purpose of "Yay for us" posts. But an expression of patriotism does not include "Your country sucks because it's so unbelievably (pick one: evil, imperialist, cowardly, deceitful, lazy, manipulative, drunken, greedy, selfish, capitalist, socialist, fascist, communist)!"

Just as misguided and damaging IMO are those posts which aren't "for" any particular country, they're just "against" one. Such attacks are so tiresome, if not downright offensive, because they carry such a strong whiff of self-righteousness and moral superiority. Never an attractive scent.

Closely related to the "against-ers" are those who equate expressions of pride in one's nation in general as at best hopelessly naive and jejeune, at worst evidence of objective fascism. Such attitudes have been with us for centuries, and taken to the extreme can lead one to a point when there is no country, institution or idea worthy of sacrifice. That's fine, just dispense with the anybody-who-believes-in-patriotism-is-such-a-maroon posts.

Personally I'm happy as a pig in slop for folks to talk up their country's history and accomplishments. For example, I've seen posts on Polish, French and Canadian contributions to WWII and stories of combat by those countires forces that have been wonderful. I can't see how anyone could find those offensive. No one here should ever feel that is inappropriate to praise his own country, list its accomplishments or discuss its history.

Just don't insult anybody else when they do the same. It's just basic good manners.

I quite agree. This is basically a long-winded way of explaining my 'there's a difference between 'my country rocks' and 'your country sucks'' post. I have no problem with patriotism. I don't find it offensive. What I do find offensive is when patriotism gets out of hand and degrades other nations.




H2HSnake

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#67 15 years ago
Meadow As for the part about 'put my country in FH2 BECAUSE BECAUSE' - I have honestly no idea what you are talking about. Are you agreeing with me? If so, kindly PM all the other Poles on the board and group your resources so we don't end up with umpteen threads in suggestions about obscure Polish pieces of equipment, which, while fascinating for FH2, will simply get lost by the time Poland is in the plan to be added.

by"BECAUSE BECAUSE'" i had in mind posts like "put my country in FH2 because i want it!"(without any particular reasons) instead of this i agree fully with idea of putting "country suggestion" threads or maybe another "resources forum",where we could suggest making particular map with unit fighting on it,history details,resources, like i did with Poles in Tobruk and in Battle of Ghazala,and what i could do with Poles in Italian Campaign,Normandy campaign,Narvik,France1940,Arnhem44,East Front,1939 Campagin,Warsaw Uprising44.It would be nice if we could have a place to put these things there.So basically i agree with You but don't reffer to Me as I am Nacionalist making nacionalistic posts and bashing other countries,maybe i am making just such impression:/ but Polska and pvt Allen are not involved in such sh**,and if their posts looks like nacionalistic they're probably joking ;).It seems that everyone knows what's all about,that's good.Everyone have a right to show us what they know about their country's history and WWII battles, and share with us their knowledge,so then a nice ideas of maps/battles can be based on these true events.You have no idea how amount of Polish players would increase(i dunno if it's good ;p) if they could take part in battles where their grandfathers fought for the freedom of our Country,and "for Your and our freedom",because there's only chance to play as an british,US,sometimes German and Russian in computer games these days,like only them were fighting in the war.That's sad.It gives the untrue picture of WWII events.I am big fan of WWII battles recreation in FH/FH2.Every map could've info on the loading screen,about the outcome of the real battle,date,what units are fighting etc.It could be very educative.