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Beast of War

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#1 15 years ago

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A lot of gamers will recognise this, a historic background on a battle in Blitzkrieg. It says the same in history books btw, and the numbers not only represent only this battle, but numbers in general battles. The point is, that armies consisted of thousands of tanks and aircraft, but used tens of thousands artillery. That means out of every tank or aircraft there could be as many as 10 artillery pieces.

All sides used so much artillery, the germans, allies but especially the russians.

"artillery" means also smaller field guns and mortars and AA or flak guns, but the point is artillery in FH is in most maps not reflecting real life circumstances in battles.

Just one rather short range Wespe, Priest, Katusha ( not counting even shorter range assault guns as artillery) or some fixed short range artillery is hardly representing tens of thousands of artillery. Batteries of heavy artillery ( 120 or 150 mm ) are even non existent in FH, save some coastal (def)guns, that usually are of limited use because they are aimed in the wrong direction. FH really needs heavy artillery like the 105, 122 and 150 mm heavy artilery guns, possibly in base situated fixed batteries.

Some newer maps in FH actually have a reasonable amount of heavier AT field cannons like PAK 75 mm and 88 mm flak/at guns, wich is a great step in the direction of realism, but smaller - and more important - easily transportable, even by pushing - AT field guns and infantry support field guns, like the 37 and 50 mm range are largely missing. They were used in tremendous numbers, and were the infantry weapon against tanks......not short range "desperate defence" weapons like Panzerfausts or bazooka's or anti tank rifles. Field guns claimed more tank kills then any other weapon, including other tanks or aircraft. They were many times cheaper then tanks or aircraft, had the same range or often even greater range as tanks cannons, were fast to manufacture and could be placed almost anywhere.

Also some mortars have appeared in FH, but not even in the direction in the availability the real ones were used. They were cheap, many times lighter then howitzers or cannons of the same caliber, and far easier to transport. The most used was 80 mm, but they came up to 160 mm and exelled at killing large amounts of infantry.

Last of this post is i really miss more types of self propelled artillery, that was used later in the war. Particularly German Hummel and Bison, the soviet SU and ISU series.

I know more artillery is a horror to bunnyhopping infantry, but then again do we want a wargame or a fragger festival ? At this time, infantry is far stronger then they ever were in real life. In FH, every infantry soldier is almost a one man army, that can destroy almost any target singlehandedly........ that is not exactly what infantry in the real war did or could do. I know charging each other with knifes seem to be popular, but i hope the game itself will provide a proper representation of a real battlefield. As stated, artillery should outnumber any vehicle......or at least be very common, more common then the lone Wespe, Priest, Katusha or fixed artillery here and there. It would be great if bases had a battery of (protected) heavy artillery in them, and spawned a number of transportable smaller infantry usable field guns in the range of 37 and 50 mm.

Last but not least : that transportable 88 mm flak has have come disconnected from that Sdkfz 7 hauler somehow........now it is a moving powderkeg instead of a dangerous weapon........and road handeling is very poor too.




MG42Maniac

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#2 15 years ago

One way would be to group say 4 105 mm Howitzers so they can be controled by one player like the AA gun's on Wake.




McGibs

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#3 15 years ago

worry not, little beasty. We got some nice things lined up in the artillery department. (probly not for .62/3 but for later versions)




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#4 15 years ago
McGibsworry not, little beasty. We got some nice things lined up in the artillery department. (probly not for .62/3 but for later versions)

:) Great !




Artie

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#5 15 years ago

I've heard confirmation of the Soviet ZIS-3 and some British field gun. Let's see what we have so far...

In game:

Flak 88 Pak 40 105mm Howitzer 15? Pounder (the one in Crete and Fall Weiss)

To be included: ZIS-3 76.2mm Divisional Gun Some other British field gun

It looks like FH is starting to build up a nice array of field artillery. Some Japanese field guns would really be nice, too since they have practically nothing to match the American Shermans right now. Also, this Soviet field gun would be nice for some of the earlier Eastern front maps...

F-22 USV 76.2mm Divisional Gun field_11.jpg

F-22 USV Production Chart (different colors represented different factories) field_23.gif




D-Fens

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#6 15 years ago

To be included is british 17 pounder and Wz 36 is the "Polish" (Swedish 37mm Bofors anti tank gun) and not used by Brits irl as far as I know.




Kämpfer

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#7 15 years ago

I think it is great to get artillery, but if FH gets more artillery I think they need to make sure they go back through their old maps and actually add them!




Froggin_Ashole42

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#8 15 years ago

Speaking of this(man, I say that ALOT) there has to be some way to make the maps bigger...some way.




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#9 15 years ago

I'd like to see Dora. :D




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#10 15 years ago
Artie F-22 USV Production Chart (different colors represented different factories) field_23.gif

wow the russians were producing field guns in 1339? now THAT'S what i call dedication