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The brother to my “Allied Armor” thread, “Axis Tanks”

Germany: Panzerkampfwagen III Ausf. J I know we need this, and everyone else knows we need this, but many new guys dont know how a Panzer III could be better than a Panzer IV. Blitzkreig doctorine called for two types of tanks to be used during an asault. One, the Panzer IV, would be used as an assault tank, blowing up buildings and killing infantry. The other, the Panzer III, would engage enemy armor. The Panzer III entered service in 1940, after the introduction of the Panzer IV. It was far superior to all rational allied tanks, with the obvious exception of the Soviet T-34. For its time it featured good armor and an excellent gun. The initial models of the tank featured a standard 37mm gun, despite the general desire for a 50mm high velocity cannon. The turret ring was made much larger than necessary so the tank could eventually house a larger main gun. The first Panzer IIIs were developed in 1937, however, the Ausf. A was not used in combat. The first model with the more popular 50mm gun was the Ausf. G, and after further improvements, the Panzer III reached its peak with the Ausf. J. This tank would devistate BT-7s, Crusaders, M3 Lees, and all other early war armor, again, except for the T-34. The final and best model of the Panzer III came in the form of the Ausf F. This model was developed to support the assault of the more powerful Panzer VI “Tiger” tanks. They featured a set of seitenschürzen similar to that of the Panzer IV Ausf. H. In 1943, the remaining models were returned to their factories and given Zimmerit anti-magnetic coting.

Early model with 37mm gun: pzkpfw_iii_troops.jpg

Panzer III outside Moscow, 1941 pzkpfw_iii_08.jpg

Sturkampflugzug 134 Hornesse Tank destroyer AKA: The Nashorn Developed as a stopgap measure between the MarderIII and Hetzer anti tank guns and the more famous Elefant. This tank destroyer featured the massivly popular Pak 43 88mm AT cannon, a long ranged and deadly weapon to all allied tanks. Similar to the Wespe/Hummel HMCs due to a shared chassis, that of the Panzer IV. It featured an open top, similar to that of the Wespe, but it was often covered with a tarp or, in some cases, a spot welded iron plate. An Mg34, or sometimes Mg42, was carried in the fighting compartment and was mounted on the frontal armor of the FC. Unlike the panzerjager that replaced it, the Nashorn was not heavily armed; and, unlike other lightly armored panzerjaegers, it was not fast either.

Nashorn at the US Army Proving Grounds in Abedereen, NC. Rhinocerros.jpg

Eastern front nashorn_01.jpg

Jagdpanzer 38(t) Hetzer

No time to write my own overview, this is taken from www.wwwiivehicles.com

“In March 1943, Colonel General Heinz Guderian, wanted a light tank destroyer. First prototype appeared in December 1943. Production started at BMM in April 1944, and by Skoda in September 1944. Produced in Prague, Pilsen, Königgrätz, Böhm, and Breslau.

In 1945 a few had the 75 mm KwK 42 L/70 gun installed. It was too heavy in the front and was discontinued.

Description

MG on roof was controlled from inside tank. Fighting space was very cramped inside. Gunner and loader were on left hand side of a gun designed to be right handed operation. Same gun as in PzKpfw IV but with muzzle brake removed.

It had a Fu 5 radio set installed, and command vehicles had the Fu 8 radio installed.

Usage

-In July 1944, the Panzerjägerabteilungen 731 and 743, and the 15th and 76th Infantry Divisions were the first to receive them.

-Flammpanzer 38(t): During the design phases of the Ardennes offensive it was decided that there was a need for flamethrower equipped tanks. 20 Hetzer's were converted to carry 14 mm Flammenwerfer in place of 75 mm. The projector was fitted inside the 75 mm barrel. 154 gallons of flame fuel carried with a range of 66 yards.

-Bergepanzer 38(t) Hetzer: Armored recovery vehicles. 64 were converted and 106 were produced. Gun was removed and winch fitted. Was open on the top.

-150 Schwere Infanteriegeschütz 33/2 (Sf) auf Jagdpanzer 38(t) Hetzer: 6 converted and 24 produced. First models were available December 1944. Based on the Bergepanzer 38(t) chassis. Had additional raised superstructure installed with 150 mm sIG 33/2. Were issued to the schwere Infanteriegeschütz company in armored infantry regiments.

-Jagdpanzer 38(t) Starr: 10 prototypes were made, and production was to start in May 1945. Was to have a 75 mm PaK 39/1 Starr L/48 or a 105 mm StuH42 Starr as main armament. “

Two Jagdpanzer 38(t)s hetzer_07.jpgHetzerWithPassengers.jpg

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#2 14 years ago

Part Two...

Germany (continued)

Marder Series: These light panzerjaegers were based on the Panzer II, Panzer 38(t), Panzer I and Panzer III chassis. They were very crude designs, often using captured Soviet 57 mm and 75 mm guns in place of the German designs. The Marder panzerjaegers were self propelled guns in their purest form. They featured very minimal armor, an open fighting compartment ala the Wespe HMC, and lacked a defensive machine gun. They were successful against light tanks and some mediums, like the Crusader, BT-7, M3 Lee, and Cruiser models. They were in production from early 1941 through April of 1942, and continued service until phased out by better tank hunters, such as the aforementioned Hornesse and Jagdpanzer IV. The Panzer I based Marder featured a light PaK 36 76.2 mm AT gun. The Panzer II based Marders featured the heavier 75 mm PaK 40/2 gun. The Panzer 38(t) models featured PaK 40/3 cannon, some also carried the PaK 36 76.2mm gun. The Panzer III based Marder carried either the PaK 36, PaK 40/2 or PaK 40/3 gun. The Marder III also carried a Mg34 or Mg15 in the fighting compartment for defense against infantry.

Note: All models in action in the east were reported to have carried the Soviet ZiS-3 76.2mm cannon. Likewise, Su-76 self-propelled guns also would often carry German cannon.

Marder I marder_i_01.jpg

Marder II marder_ii_01.jpg

Marder III marder_iii_01.jpg

Jagdpanther Arguably the best tank destroyer of the war. This tank killer was, rather obvisouly, based upon the Panther Main Battle Tank. Initially designated the Panzerjaeger Panther, Hitler ordered the name changed to Jagdpanther to sound more ferocious. Unlike its big cousin, the Jagdtiger, the Jagdpanther did not suffer from nearly as many problems as heavy TDs. It would not break down nearly as much, nor did it suffer from the disturbing problem of sinking into sold ground or breaking bridges. Production began in February of 1944 in Brunswick, and in December of 1944 the Maschinenfabrik Niedersachsen-Hannover started production. It had more armor than the Jagdpanzer IV/70 currently ingame, and was also upgunned. It was armed with the deadly PaK 43/3 88 mm AT gun, and its sloped frontal armor made this tank impregnable by any American or British tank short of a Firefly at close range. The T-34/85 had quite a bit of difficulty killing this tank as well.

JagdPanther_5.jpg

Later: Italy, Japan, and Hungary.




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#3 14 years ago

How about getting pictures that actually work? :)

(Also, you forgot the stug IV, the jagdtiger and panzer I. Further more your Nashorn designation says "Sturkampflugzug 134 Hornesse Tank destroyer", which make no sense at all, since the "STUrzKAmpfflugzeug" is the Stuka.)




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#4 14 years ago

Marder was also based on french tank/tractor chassis's. Heh I noticed in google that Marder seems to be german for ferret.




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#5 14 years ago
USMA2010The final and best model of the Panzer III came in the form of the Ausf F.

You meant "N", not "F", right? PIIIF's were in the Battle of France with 37mm gun. We do need this tank badly though. PIIIE or F for early France maps, PIIIG/H for North African and Russian maps before 1942, and the odd PIIIJ for those same maps. A PIIIL/N would be nice for later, but not really necessary. Also, less than 50 pre-production PIIIA/B/C/D models participated in the '39 Polish Campaign for combat trials. The PIIIE began production in Dec.'38, and the IIIF in Sept. '39. Neither of those saw service until Norway and France in 1940.




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#6 14 years ago
SkipsterA PIIIL/N would be nice for later, but not really necessary.

The Panzer IIIL was the last AT model, being equipped with the 50mmL60, wheras the Panzer IIIN was a CS model, having the same main gun (the 75mmL24) as the PzIVD...




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#7 14 years ago

'LIGHTNING [NL']How about getting pictures that actually work? :)

(Also, you forgot the stug IV, the jagdtiger and panzer I. Further more your Nashorn designation says "Sturkampflugzug 134 Hornesse Tank destroyer", which make no sense at all, since the "STUrzKAmpfflugzeug" is the Stuka.)

I don't seem to find the best information on full names. If you would please, delete the pics that dont work, and I'll find new ones.

The StugIV I did not include because we already have the StugIII, and we really don't need another Stug until more important AFVs are included.

I didn't include the Jagdtiger because so few of them were made. This is THE noob weapon, and to balance it you would need two ISU-152s. Besides, they sucked. They really did break bridges (weighed over 100 tons, heaviest AFV of the war), and literally sank into the ground, even it it is dry. The crews were impressed at its ability to, at rougly half a mile, shoot through a stone house and still do enough damage to a T-34 Mod. 42 to make its crew abondon the tank. But thats pretty much it.

The Panzer I is like the Vickers Mk. 1, just two machine guns. They were used in Poland, France, and Russia, but not as MBTs; rather as scouting vehicles. Again, not an important tank.




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#8 14 years ago

The Panzer III was infact regarded as a rather weak tank compared to what the Allies could come up with.

Panzer III vs. a KV-1 is like a Sherman vs. a Tiger. And even the French tanks were regarded as superior and needed t be taken out by Stukas.

The Panzer III could only sucseed due to Germanys superior tank taktiks. Comparing it 1 on 1 with Allied armour would get in on the low end most times. Still, it was a good MBT for the early stages of the war and the backbone of the german tankforces untill 1941/42.




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#9 14 years ago

later in the war, yes. but the panzerIIIj and other 50mm models way outranged other early war tanks. the m3grant and sherman turned the tide for a while, but those tanks aside, the 50mm p3 was great. could easily kill a cruiser, vickers mk1, or crusader in one hit. however, against shermans, churchills, and matildas, they were quite useless. hence the Tiger Ausf. A on desert rose.




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#10 14 years ago

Another interesting thing to note:

The Panzer III series of tanks had 2 Coaxial MG34Ts right next to each other. Awesomeness. Right clicking would mean 2 streams of bullets instead of one, which would make the P3 a very good anti infantry tank.