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Strumtrupp

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#111 14 years ago
SgtSteinerBDSSame. I don't get much fun playing a side that traditionally wins a map. As long as I have fun I don't care whether we lose (although I always try) and I don't get off on scores. Although I also agree that maps where you ALWAYS get pointlessly slaughtered and spawn raped is kinda hard to take.

Agree 100% I play for fun. And as long as the results are not almost forced on me, it matters not if I win or lose.




MR.X`

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#112 14 years ago

If one side traditionally gets their main spawn raped, then the map is poorly designed or needs the new anti-basecamping code installed.

Which kinda reminds me. For the first time last night, I saw the Germans actually need that PaK 40 that is right by their main spawn. Yet nobody could stay in it for long, since it was in the middle of the bloody road!

Please, fix that issue. Tuck it against the wall, give it some sandbags or a bunker. Hell, you can keep it where it is, just give us a blindfold. Going out there with Americans around is like being shot by a firing squad.




emonkies

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#113 14 years ago

HelmantelThe T-34 is a great tank now. The working sloped is a great improvement. But I did have a weird encounter with a T-34 in a PzIIIL(with skirts) on orel. The first T-34 I encountered failed do damage me when shooting my frontal armor. I killed it with 4-6 shots in it's frontal armor. The second T-34 i encountered was sitting right before me (about 10 m) and shot my frontal armor without effect. Only his second shot brought my health down to 5%. It fired this shot from the same position as the first shot.

So my question is: does anyone know if the PzIIIL has some kind of weak spot in it's frontal armor (maybe a slit or a place wich doesn't have the aditional armor)?

IIRC Soviet 76.2mm AP round for tanks is coded for BR-350A armor piercing ballistic cap ammo. IRL penetration at 500m at 0 deg is supposed to be about 75mm. This was reduced if the round hit face hardened armor.

The PzIIIL has 70mm of armor on upper front hull and turret face. The first 20mm is a plate of face hardened armor set in front of the actual hull. The plate of face hardened spaced armor ideally shatters or deflects the AP round so it wont penetrate or at least strips off the ballistic cap to reduce its efectiveness when it hits the second layer of armor. The gap between the spaced armor and the armor underneath also has the same effect as skirts do against shaped charge weapons.

In late 1943 the Soviets introduced the BR-350P which was much more effective ( 92mm penetration vertical armor at 500m) but supplies were limited so they were issued only to vehicles in a attack in a quantity of 8 per vehicle




MR.X`

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#114 14 years ago

This reminds me of something else now...

Is the Su-76 supposed to be using a new and improved round for 0.7, or is this just balance at work? I find it hard to believe that I should be able to drive clear across a map knocking out every tank I see in three hits or less.




[CoUk]niu

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#115 14 years ago

It`s a multi-purpose gun:AP,AT and AA.:)




[21Pz]Stauffenberg

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#116 14 years ago

It shouldnt be as strong as it is, i have to agree with USMA. And if there would actually be a german tank with a cannon beeing overpowered, i would also claim that !!




Mazz

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#117 14 years ago
It shouldnt be as strong as it is, i have to agree with USMA.

I think your just mad that I offed you in your Tiger from behind that barn with it last night in your favorite spot :D. Anyways, it does seem overly strong, but then again its using the Zis-3 and if its using HEAT rounds its got a capable penetration of 120mm at 500 yards. Against the flat sides of Panthers and Tigers, i can see it.




emonkies

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#118 14 years ago

Not 100% sure but IIRC all TD get the better round to enhance what tehy were built for. Thats why SU-76 can kill Tiger pn Prokie easily enough with side shots.

SU-76 was used partly as a tank destroyer til replaced by the better SU-152 and SU-85

HEAT rounds dont usually penetrate more than their diamater so a 76.2mm heat round should penetrate around 75mm. A 76.2mm gun firing a HEAT round that penetrates 120mm seems way overpowered.




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#119 14 years ago

Stop pissing the devs off! they have worked ther goddamn asses off to appease our insesent bitching about "duh wen is .07 coming out"! Just lay off!!!




Gauntlet

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#120 14 years ago
'[21Pz Bergen Pz']Stop pissing the devs off! they have worked ther goddamn asses off to appease our insesent bitching about "duh wen is .07 coming out"! Just lay off!!!

wth...? Read the God-damned tread, hippie...:rolleyes: