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ww2freak

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#11 13 years ago

I'm all for camping when it means defending - for example: when the allies are surrounded in their last 2 flags at Nordwind. If they defend those flags and take cover, there is no ticket bleed. They don't need to attack. In that map, if allies attack and try to reconquer the flags in the woods, they just consume a lot of tickets - and generally lose.

What I find most irritating is that players often don't understand WHEN they should attack and WHEN they should defend.

2 examples:

Germans on Nordwind - they should attack, not defend. Yet most of the german team camps around the allied flags and doesn't dare to move in...when they should.

Allied on Nordwind - they should DEFEND, not rush to the front and getting killed by the hundreds, while the germans flank them and cap the flags right behind them. In that situtation they should just be DEFENDING, and somewhat, camping. Not rushing like idiots!

The most funny thing is that sometimes we have historical maps where we know that one team is defending (Storm, Berlin, Wake, etc) and the other attacking - but the roles are completely reversed by players who can't use their brains to save their asses.

We often have people who should defend attacking like idiots (and making the team lose tickets) and guys who should be capping flags camping like cowards.

It's a complete reverse of what should be happenning. Who defends, holds the flags, who attacks, tries to capture them. how often do we see that? Rarely.




Komrad_B

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#12 13 years ago

Hawk_345Im against camping because it is very unfair that some1 can lydown and ge 200 or so kills but at least its fixed in some ways in FH2 with the protected spawn points in buildings and such.[/quote]

It is not unfair, if he succeed it either means he's good, or the other team is bad, or both. I rarely camp a long time agaisnt good fellas, sometimes it work, but eventually someone attacks me with righteous fury from behind and kill me. I do the same thing to those who camp.

Seriously, killing campers is far from being that hard, heres a few tricks from Komrad_B :

1. If a friend of yours get killed, DO NOT MOVE NEAR HIS BODY! (if you go were he was, to try and see were the camper is, you'll get n00bed).

2. If you get killed somewere, don't use that road anymore until the camper is dead (and YOU are going to kill him!).

3. If you have a hard time finding him, try to identify what his field of view his by looking at were he kills and try to identify his approximate location (If you were a sniper/mg trying to camp this area, were would you sit?). If your enemy has a tank and you saw him immediately, skip to No.5.

4. When trying to find him, DO NOT RUN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PLACE! Just hide, like him, and look at possible muzzle flashes when your friends get mowed down by him, you should locate him eventually.

5. Once he is located, try to determine the safest route to flank (note, yes FLANK) him. If necessary, start very far from it in the corner of the map and go behind the frontline so you don't encounter 1666.66 crazy mofos with nailclub during your Odyssey. From there, make your way to your favourite campers position, get on his church tower/tank and f***ing knife/nailclub/satchel/RPG/'zook/'faust him!

Please note that attacking a camper from the front is never a good idea, UNLESS you have superior weaponry and armor (being hidden is the sole and perfect armor for infantry).

Example : a Sherman is camping Solution : bring anything bigger than a Panzer IV

If a big tank (kingtiger, panther, tiger, jagdpanther) is camping, you are not recommanded to use satchels, but you can kill them easily with a zook, or with a tank hunter (if you prefer to use tanks). Jeeps are excellent when flanking immobile tanks, sometimes even if they see you they don't have time to react. If in a tank, drive far behind their line, come back near his position (note : not behind, beside him. Most veteran tank commanders check their back with external view) and kill him. A most excellent way of killing a big tank with a tank hunter is to stick your gun inside his tank and shoot, this way when he dies he'll see how much you pwned him. You can also n00b him with a plane, wich is even easier if your a pilot.

maybe a limit of kills could be implemented, i mean how realistic is it for 1 guy to kill 60 or so men in 1 battle, maybe a limit of 20 or so could be done,

A limit of kills? Now thats just silly. It is realistic for a tank or plane to kill 60+ guys or so in a battle, he'd have to be good, and in FH having 60+ kills isn't easy unless you use the mortars or artillery to spam spawns (THAT is lame and retarded). And how realistic is that? I can already here the "don't get out of the map filthy traitor" voice saying : "Warning, you are about to get 60 kills, we balance nazis will shoot YOU!"

[QUOTE=Lobo] I usually dislike campers when my team needs to attack objectives because we are bleeding, and well, because I am a crazy gung-ho but I understand, the camper is really acting like a real WW2 soldier, crazy ruskies and girlish ninja grasses apart

Thats exactly what I am thinking.

I think "camper" becomes a pejorative term when someone can't seem to do anything else than camping, watever the situation. The best is to have a balance of both.




It's Happy Fun Ball!

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#13 13 years ago

Spawn camping can be difficult to define, you really have to have good admins on to judge when someone has crossed the line. However, taking a tiger into an opposing team's non-cap, blowing up all their vehicles, and machine gunning them as they spawn is definitely over that line. Why is it bad? Because it ruins the experience for the other players. You are spoiling the game for many other people, souly for your own pleasure. That is wrong. You shouldn't need an admin or a good player on the other team to stop you from behaving this way. One of the reasons i love FH is because few do.




A_tree

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#14 13 years ago

The only camping im againt is when 5 people wait for the kingtiger/sherman jumbo/any kind of plane/axis tank. Snipers i can normaly pick off, and camping tanks can useualy be delt with a satchel or 2.




Strumtrupp

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#15 13 years ago

FuzzyBunnyMost "real" spawn raping I have seen (we are not talking about a team simply being in a disadvantaged situation and whining about it) is by one or two players with heavy weaponry on servers that are either half-empty, populated mainly by less-skilled players, or both. The moment a few decent heavy hitters show up, the idiot in the Tiger normally gets whacked a few times and shuts up.[/quote] Not as bad as the players that, in the beginnnig of the round, flood one side, take most of the flags, due to the sheer mass of troops waist the few opponents and then,when they complain, claim the opponents are skillless and it is all their fault for not playing like a team.

So what's the answer? Well, I like WOLF's rule that you cannot sit outside a spawn for more than a reasonable period of time, whacking spawners, without making a realistically feasible effort to cap it, subject to admin discretion. Aside from that, people who spawn rape are generally putzes and poorly skilled players who don't fare well in a "real" game environment, and you wouldn't want people to think of you that way, would you?

How about increasing the area around the flag? You do not need to stand right next to it to control the area. Or, like I keep saying, make the spawn points destroyable, like as a apc. No apc no spawn. No spawn no enemies.

LoboHe is talking about camping, not about spawnraping or basecamping. I usually dislike campers when my team needs to attack objectives because we are bleeding, and well, because I am a crazy gung-ho but I understand, the camper is really acting like a real WW2 soldier, crazy ruskies and girlish ninja grasses apart

Not really. Because a camper is not doing it because they are afraid of loosing the one life they have but because they are afraid their score will suffer. IRL no one went near the enemy positions alone. No one hid in the bushes near the enemy position, far off from friendly territory, to scan for hostile tags through the bushes and shoot those he saw.

[QUOTE=A_tree]The only camping im againt is when 5 people wait for the kingtiger/sherman jumbo/any kind of plane/axis tank. Snipers i can normaly pick off, and camping tanks can useualy be delt with a satchel or 2.

You have never played valirisk with a tiger waiting outside your base.




FlyGuy45

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#16 13 years ago

Komrad_BIt is not unfair, if he succeed it either means he's good, or the other team is bad, or both. I rarely camp a long time agaisnt good fellas, sometimes it work, but eventually someone attacks me with righteous fury from behind and kill me. I do the same thing to those who camp.

Seriously, killing campers is far from being that hard, heres a few tricks from Komrad_B :

1. If a friend of yours get killed, DO NOT MOVE NEAR HIS BODY! (if you go were he was, to try and see were the camper is, you'll get n00bed).

2. If you get killed somewere, don't use that road anymore until the camper is dead (and YOU are going to kill him!).

3. If you have a hard time finding him, try to identify what his field of view his by looking at were he kills and try to identify his approximate location (If you were a sniper/mg trying to camp this area, were would you sit?). If your enemy has a tank and you saw him immediately, skip to No.5.

4. When trying to find him, DO NOT RUN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PLACE! Just hide, like him, and look at possible muzzle flashes when your friends get mowed down by him, you should locate him eventually.

5. Once he is located, try to determine the safest route to flank (note, yes FLANK) him. If necessary, start very far from it in the corner of the map and go behind the frontline so you don't encounter 1666.66 crazy mofos with nailclub during your Odyssey. From there, make your way to your favourite campers position, get on his church tower/tank and f***ing knife/nailclub/satchel/RPG/'zook/'faust him!

If this fails, check to see if the camper has a ego problem. If so talk to him, and while you talk to him, hopefully you are trying to kill him.

Example:Anhren, Panther at a flag, 2 ATer's on bridge

Coax him and see if you can get him to stand still alittle longer. Say things likie "you cant get me",etc.




Fuzzy Bunny

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#17 13 years ago
StrumtruppNot as bad as the players that, in the beginnnig of the round, flood one side, take most of the flags, due to the sheer mass of troops waist the few opponents and then,when they complain, claim the opponents are skillless and it is all their fault for not playing like a team.

I wasn't comparing or judging--what you're describing is just reprehensible behavior. It's equally crap.




Strumtrupp

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#18 13 years ago
FuzzyBunnyI wasn't comparing or judging--what you're describing is just reprehensible behavior. It's equally crap.

You misread my intent and I was not pointing a finger. Was simply an example how poorly people play. I have even seen such on clan servers. And the fubar answer I got from the clan was 'see it as a challenge'. Kinda like the fish in a barrel should see it as a challenge.

I mean I hit positions as well. But I will move on. My own personal rule is, if I can see the flag, I have to cap it in 2 mins. So either I stay way out of view or I go for the flag. I have seen smacktards sitting right out of view and just wait until you drive 2m before they blast you and then claim you had a 'chance'. o/c these are the guys that camp the supertanks.




Fuzzy Bunny

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#19 13 years ago
StrumtruppYou misread my intent and I was not pointing a finger..

Oh, but I was :-)

My scorn was _not_ directed at you. Frankly, it's one of those things where people should just know better. Especially experienced or regular players on a server; in your example, I know some people prefer one team over another (example, I love Axis on Battle Isle and Pavlov, but that's a bad one, because it's almost impossible to take those maps seriously) but when that ends up in a 25-17 stack at the start for the team that has better equipment anyway, it's l4m3.




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