Camping of the third kind. (rant) -1 reply

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Tas

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#1 12 years ago

If its really the third kind, i dont know, but this is not yet another thread about basecamping, or spawncamping... none of that, i wanted to make that clear.

I have been playing FH for a long time, and BF2 since it has been out (even tho less and less). And i keep running into this problem.. Whenever a flag is under attack, i always see most of my teammates camping OUTSIDE the flag range for long periods of time, in bushes, from houses, shooting at the flag from a distance. Covering fire is apriciated, but for the love of all that is holy, GO FOR THE FLAG when the coast is clear, instead of waiting for the next spawn wave!

The enemy you killed will respawn, and will probably know where you are and start tossing nades, you run, cought with your pants down and get shot. You respawn, walk back to the flag and start camping again. THATS how matches are lost!. When there is no enemy in sight, go for the freakin flag! Grey it, hide somewhere in the flag radious if you are a little sissy boy so the enemy cant spawn anymore, of if you have some balls, take out your knife and start slicing and dicing the enemy forces.

Lead by example folks, camping wont get you the flag, and its boring, be a hero (get lotsa points!), rush the flag! :nodding:




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#2 12 years ago
The 13th RaptorCovering fire is apriciated, but for the love of all that is holy, GO FOR THE FLAG when the coast is clear, instead of waiting for the next spawn wave!

I've encountered this very often, but to be honest, at least 80% of the time it's done by people waiting for support to come up. I know I'd rather hang out before a flag in a tank and cover the infantry, and then charge in the moment I know there are some dudes who can nail the baddies spawning right around me.

I've seen it mainly from people who were concerned that the amount of cover they'd be getting wouldn't be sufficient right then and now. Remember also that when you nail the crap out of a flag before going in, the enemy may become discouraged and spawn elsewhere, so while it seems lame if you're being constantly spawnkilled, tactically it does make sense...




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#3 12 years ago

I do this mainly with tanks. It would be suicidally retarded for me to run in with our team's only tiger and try to cap a flag all by myself.

Infantry on the other hand, theyr for attacking and taking objectives.




Tas

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#4 12 years ago

FuzzyBunnyI've encountered this very often, but to be honest, at least 80% of the time it's done by people waiting for support to come up. I know I'd rather hang out before a flag in a tank and cover the infantry, and then charge in the moment I know there are some dudes who can nail the baddies spawning right around me.

I've seen it mainly from people who were concerned that the amount of cover they'd be getting wouldn't be sufficient right then and now. Remember also that when you nail the crap out of a flag before going in, the enemy may become discouraged and spawn elsewhere, so while it seems lame if you're being constantly spawnkilled, tactically it does make sense...

There has to be a limit, when you are in a tank... sure, camping outside a flag makes sense, they are no good up close. But when there are two tanks covering a flag, 4 infantry guys camping along for minutes on end, that is just to much.




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#5 12 years ago
The 13th RaptorThere has to be a limit, when you are in a tank... sure, camping outside a flag makes sense, they are no good up close. But when there are two tanks covering a flag, 4 infantry guys camping along for minutes on end, that is just to much.

Eh, yes, then the infantry should attack, but maybe not if there are like 12 enemy infantry spawning all the time in there.....From time to time I do camp, and I think it is a sound tactic, especially when you have some kind of gun that is a good tool for suppressing enemy fire. Once you have decided to stauy and camp, there is not much to do but wait for a proper organized point attack to succeed.




Tas

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#6 12 years ago
HeinkelEh, yes, then the infantry should attack, but maybe not if there are like 12 enemy infantry spawning all the time in there.....From time to time I do camp, and I think it is a sound tactic, especially when you have some kind of gun that is a good tool for suppressing enemy fire. Once you have decided to stauy and camp, there is not much to do but wait for a proper organized point attack to succeed.

Thats the kind of attitude im talking about, it takes one person to grey a flag, if you have even the slightest confidence in your skill you should have no trouble killing people as they spawn. That properly organised attack is never going to take place if you keep waiting there.

Spam F7 and rush the flag when you see a chance, grey the flag so the rest of your friends with bullet fobia can come in and clear the spawnpoint.




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#7 12 years ago
Spam F7 and rush the flag when you see a chance, grey the flag so the rest of your friends with bullet fobia can come in and clear the spawnpoint.

nobody is afraid of bullets. it is greatest way of raising the score and kill/death ratio at the same time. in bf2 it is common to push the enemy to the last flag and sit outside, killing everybody that spawn, without any organised attempt to take that flag. easy and cheap kills. [somehow commanders dont get that, and waste kills using arty. he lowers his score [his score is average of all players score] and others score.

you cant fight it, as it is simply in players nature - it there is the smallest possibility of exploit/bad behaviour somewhere be sure, that tomorow it is going to be a one and only tactic used.




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#8 12 years ago

this is especially annoying when selfish and or noobs wait outside of ramelle and pound the buildings with their pz3 or tiger instead of rolling into town...

sometimes im really tempted to blow up our own tanks in these situations.

FOR ALL YOU NEEBS OUT THERE: AXIS CANT WIN RAMELLE IF TANKS STAY OUTSIDE OF TOWN! YOU HAVE TO ROLE IN!!!!

thx




=HPSF=Roadrunner

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#9 12 years ago

While I agree with Raptor's analysis, I have to argue against rushing in, only to get killed. Sure, you may grey the flag, for awhile, but I'd rather cap it. I have been accused of camping in a tank, because of my attack style at times. I do NOT just rush straight in. In most cases, this would be suicide. Especially, if you just killed a bunch of Tommygunners, that just switched to AT, to get revenge. Sometimes, I will stay outside of a flag zone, inf or tank, when I know someone is in a zone greying it. This is not because I am affraid to lose my precious points, or fictional life. Capping flags is the best way to get points. But sometimes, your cover is better outside the zone (hell, MOST of the time it is), and you can provide cover for the person greying. The other thing, you want to consider, is timing your attack. Don't rush in solo, if you can see others a bit behind you. If you see others on your minimap, stir things up a little, and draw their attention/fire AWAY from the flag. This makes it easier for others to sneak in unsuspected. Another thing I don't see enough of, is people waiting for others. I don't know how many times, I've called for reinforcements, or hit the 'wait' keys, only to have it be ignored. Team play is what wins rounds. I have found this to be ESPECIALLY true, on .7 (one of the reasons it is better). Great reasons to be in TS, or to join a tournament, such as BFE. If you want great teamplay, that is the way to go. Just remeber though, in BFE, you are not gonna have fun, if you are a rambo. You may get stuck guarding a seldom traveled bridge, or flag for example, but the teamwork is always there.




Tas

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#10 12 years ago
=HPSF=RoadrunnerWhile I agree with Raptor's analysis, I have to argue against rushing in, only to get killed. Sure, you may grey the flag, for awhile, but I'd rather cap it. I have been accused of camping in a tank, because of my attack style at times. I do NOT just rush straight in. In most cases, this would be suicide. Especially, if you just killed a bunch of Tommygunners, that just switched to AT, to get revenge. Sometimes, I will stay outside of a flag zone, inf or tank, when I know someone is in a zone greying it. This is not because I am affraid to lose my precious points, or fictional life. Capping flags is the best way to get points. But sometimes, your cover is better outside the zone (hell, MOST of the time it is), and you can provide cover for the person greying. The other thing, you want to consider, is timing your attack. Don't rush in solo, if you can see others a bit behind you. If you see others on your minimap, stir things up a little, and draw their attention/fire AWAY from the flag. This makes it easier for others to sneak in unsuspected. Another thing I don't see enough of, is people waiting for others. I don't know how many times, I've called for reinforcements, or hit the 'wait' keys, only to have it be ignored. Team play is what wins rounds. I have found this to be ESPECIALLY true, on .7 (one of the reasons it is better). Great reasons to be in TS, or to join a tournament, such as BFE. If you want great teamplay, that is the way to go. Just remeber though, in BFE, you are not gonna have fun, if you are a rambo. You may get stuck guarding a seldom traveled bridge, or flag for example, but the teamwork is always there.

Rushing in with a tank is just crazyness, i wouldnt do that if there was infantry backing me up, i personally have no intrest in being a rambo, i would rather have my teammates make the push along with me, but that never happens, thats why im suggesting that more of your guys take the initiative, lead by example, go grey that flag while clearing the spawnpoint, or hide in a corner, your choice, but you can camp out forever if you are not willing to take a little risk, and your team might loose because of you.




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