Camping outside a cappable flag = noob? -1 reply

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#11 12 years ago

Other night was a Brit in Crete. I was near a German flag, but alone. I had a Bren, so running in against rifles and SMG's was suicide. I yelled for support, then went prone and started hosing. Got quite three or four of them. I expected to get sniped eventually, as it turned out, I got knifed! I agree killing players as they spawn is pretty dirty. I don't think i spawn killed anyone that time, but I also have to admit that when I'm in that situation I find it hard to keep my head and NOT kill a player that spawns in my gun sights. Spawning under cover to remove the temptation is a good idea.




MrFancypants Forum Admin

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#12 12 years ago

I like to win maps, so I use this tactic, but if I hear complaints about it I usually stop and try something else - we're all there for the fun after all.

It's not very nice to shoot people just after they spawn, but I think it doesn't matter much if you shoot them directly or let them walk 10 meters before you do it. Letting them get away is not a good idea if you are into winning maps or surviving.

Besides, if infantry spawns in the open, where they are easy prey to everyone within the vicinity, it is to be expected that they'll get shot. Not the fault of the spawning infantry, nor of the one who wants to win the map, but rather of the person who designed the map, isn't it?




StrangerThanFiction

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#13 12 years ago

Common sense seems to be considered to be a form of cheating according to some. I don't drive alone into towns full of AT guys either.




MG42Maniac

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#14 12 years ago

Ah the old 'Spawn rape' discussion.

My favourite example is Ramelle Neuville, if you don't go rushing in with your tank everyone calls you a score whore and i've even had people from clans and these forums call me a score whore for not going in. The simple fact is i'm not a smuck I know for a fact the moment I enter the city there is a 90% chance a guy will be waiting in that destroyed building with a zooka waiting to pop one on my engine block. If the zooka misses I then have the army of satchel whores and to top it all off I have the tards who run at you with a pistol then when they are at a distance of 2ft whip out a zooka and shot me. What people seriously need to realise is that only a moron or the self nominated "Team player" who will go in and waste a tiger all for the team. These are not the exact words used but this was a real conversation I had on TDP a few days ago:

Allied Player: Maniac is spawn raping, lame tank whore Allied Player 2: Tank lamers MG42Maniac: Its called inf support genious Allied Player: stfu n00bie Tiger driver: Maniac your a camper move in for the team like me MG42Maniac: Its suicide without inf support you WILL die Tiger driver: stfu and move before I tk you myself

The self nominated teamplayer in the tiger moves in Moment laters..... Allied Player [Bazooka] Tiger driver

Before this the idiot in the tiger was attemping to push me into the town using the tiger and I took some satchel damage but drove off to safety while he spammed some more lame abuse. It just annoys me that after all these rounds of Ramelle people still think the solution is for Capt.Rambo to go rushing in with a tiger and kill everyone and singlehandly cap the flag. People need to seriously wake up and realise that simple tactics like this are futile and do not work.

From what I have seen online it seems that players have an idea on how they think YOU should be playing the game and if you don't play to their liking they will complian or tk you.

Perfect example was this ass who claimed to be ex *TRA*:

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For starters this player can't even spell my name properly but thats because hes probobly 5 years old so i'll let him off that one. His problem was the fact I killed him many times as he ran across the street spamming nades like a fool while I was giving covering fire to my team mates.

My tactic in this map is wait till I am swarmed with friendly infantry and then advance slowly while shelling each empty house till its looks like this:

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I feel that is a valid tactic and not lame in anyway but using ones head instead of going into certain death.

Anyway as for the general subject of spawn raping I think its often hard to tell have a solid definition for it as there are too many variable factors. I think its fine to surpress a spawn point while you hammer the F2 F2 keys but I think once support arrives a failure to move in takes your actions over the lame line. I also don't like these players who wait outside an exact spawn location and fill it with lead and make no attempt to move in.

To sum it up I think its ok to rape a spawn site as long as you have the intention to move in when you are properly supported I just don't like these morons who scream camper the moment you kill them around a flag.




Cadyshack

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#15 12 years ago

The worst thing about Ramelle/Neuville is that even in a tank trying to shell the first zooka houses is impossible and infantry get cut down too easily.:mad: Thats y theres the old tactic of driving the apc next to the wall and hopping over it to cap the first flag. Theres also another tactic of THROWING grenades. you wouldnt believe the ppl who spam nades into the flag zone or just not throwing them at all:uhm: .




GunsOfBrixton29

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#16 12 years ago

MG42ManiacAh the old 'Spawn rape' discussion. Perfect example was this ass who claimed to be ex *TRA*:

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For starters this player can't even spell my name properly but thats because hes probobly 5 years old so i'll let him off that one. His problem was the fact I killed him many times as he ran across the street spamming nades like a fool while I was giving covering fire to my team mates.

Slavnik is indeed a moron, which is why we kicked him out.

But anyways, camping flags so other people can cap it is a valid tactic, yes, but if no one's attacking it, what is there to gain besides your own points?




Lobo

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#17 12 years ago

MG42Maniac, in Ramelle nobody asks to run blindly into the city but it's obvious the tanks must attack the city, wisely, indeed, like you did, but they must do or amies will kill easily infantery




Jetro

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#18 12 years ago

GunsOfBrixton29Slavnik is indeed a moron, which is why we kicked him out.

But anyways, camping flags so other people can cap it is a valid tactic, yes, but if no one's attacking it, what is there to gain besides your own points?[/quote]

Yes, but when people camp remote flags, they have far less people to lame than at a contested flag. So some guy camping in the corner flag on the map won't be raking in that many points to begin with. Maybe one or two a minute until someone sneaks around and satchels them.

[quote=Lobo]MG42Maniac, in Ramelle nobody asks to run blindly into the city but it's obvious the tanks must attack the city, wisely, indeed, like you did, but they must do or amies will kill easily infantery

%90 of the time in Rammelle, no one is supporting the tanks. They just say "Go, Go, Go!" and watch all the armor funnel into a crowded little street. Then the one in front blows up and they can't go forward. Then they try to creep backwards and get nuked by 2-3 zooks/satchels while the rest of the axis team watches from the bushes. Then, when the map is lost, they blame the tank driver because he didn't go into Gundam Mode or whatever they're expecting us to do.




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#19 12 years ago

sorry but i dont buy the "i need to actually supress a spawn locale" bit... ive supressed flags and nuked most of the defending inf at flags just before an attack etc. on goodwood lots of times, without raping an actual spawn locale. (btw almost all are in buildings on that map) and in reality had alot more fun, than i would have raping spawns, how? by dealing with all the sneaky AT guys trying to flank around to get me. guess what everyone had fun, no one felt "ripped off" with unfair easy kills. and no AT guys usually get me, either, so its not guaranteed death! i dont care what anyone says spawnraping is about stat padding for score, period. im not talking about killing some guys as they spawn, as you move in to cap a flag, hey thats part of the capping a flag thing. but raping spawn locales is completely unnecessary to supress inf activity around a flag.

edit: the job of a tanker in supporting a flag capping,.. is to give covering supression fire, so your infantry can reach the village over open ground, and not get hosed by mg'ers from the cover of the village. no need for spawn raping here if you ask me.

edit 2: i cant count the number of times ive been tked though, by so called tankers supressing a flag, spamming for every last kill possible before the flag goes grey....needless to say i have a hard time ftk'ing those.




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#20 12 years ago

jetro, you're cool with me. The satchel packers you came up against use that I'm-a-victim crap reasoning that will ruin online gaming. "I'm gonna tell teacher on jetro 'cause he won't let us kill him." Twits. The whole game is about manuevering and choosing tactics. But it's the kind of behavior that is rewarded because the game's creator and gaming sites keep stats and make rankings.

Stats kill good play. Stats kill team play. Kill the stats.