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Spike1

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#51 14 years ago

The first 50 Pz.IIIG's were originally produced with the 37mm gun. The (short) 50mm version didn't start rolling off the production line until July 1940 - after the French surrender. http://www.wwiivehicles.com/html/germany/pzkpfw_iii.html And you're right - the German tanks with 37mm guns, the Pz.38(t)s and the Pz.IIIs, are probably going to have to avoid the Char B1 altogether - they will be in an even worse position than the standard Sherman is against the Tiger I! Even the Pz.IV will have to get in two or three hits. So the map will have to be designed in such a way as to allow the lighter German tanks a chance to avoid fighting the Char B1. There will be French S-35s and R-35s as well, that the Germans will have a better chance against. Stonne will be a tough map. If the Germans don't use their Stukas and towed 88mm gun effectively, they will lose! The Char B1 and Matilda II will be the 'Tigers' of the French campaign....I'm looking forward to seeing Allied tanks kick ass for a change!




Pure-Chaos

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#52 14 years ago

The french had the men, but not the equiptment. They had a out dated air force which was crushed. There tanks were no match for the Germans. Even there weapons were pretty basic. As well as this there tactics didnt stand a chance.

I forget the name of this but im sure you all know it. The deffence line protecting france from Germany, the germans went around it and took it from the back. I think a map on this battle would be extreamly good. It would take alot of skill to win.




Count Nosferatu

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#53 14 years ago
Pure-ChaosThe french had the men, but not the equiptment. They had a out dated air force which was crushed. There tanks were no match for the Germans. Even there weapons were pretty basic. As well as this there tactics didnt stand a chance.

I beg your pardon?

I forget the name of this but im sure you all know it. The deffence line protecting france from Germany, the germans went around it and took it from the back. I think a map on this battle would be extreamly good. It would take alot of skill to win.

The Maginot Line was excellent as a strategic move to deny the enemy space... and it worked... 100%. French high command failed to utilise its success however.




Skipster

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#54 14 years ago

Sorry Spike, I got the PzIIIG mixed up with the H:doh:

Pure-ChaosThe french had the men, but not the equiptment. They had a out dated air force which was crushed. There tanks were no match for the Germans. Even there weapons were pretty basic. As well as this there tactics didnt stand a chance.

Riiiiiiiight :) The French had equal or better equipment than the Germans in most cases. And combined with the BEF, more of it. Their fighter aircraft were all comparable to the Hurricane, with one, the D520, being equal to the Spitfire and Me109 (although not quite as fast) Their pilots were well-trained, with a 2-1 kill ratio vs. Me109's in their slowest fighter, the Morane 406. The D520 had a 4-1 ratio vs. me109's. Their Ju-88-type bombers were faster, and all their bombers generally had bigger payloads. Their problem was inter-service politics, disorganisation at high levels, and far-flung colonies around the globe. Their tanks were better, if generally slower. Most of the French tanks were heavily armored, with more effective guns then the German panzers. Their optics and communications were on a par with the Germans. If not for the 88 and the Stuka, Hitler might have been stopped right then and there. Much of the Germans' success, IMO, can be attributed to their excellent leaders striking concentrated blows through gaps in French defenses, gaps that were put there by the powers that be, not by the French soldiers on the ground and in the air, who often gave better than they got. (it just wasn't enough) A lot is made of the French surrendering easily. A lot may have had to do with the pro-fascist Vichy supporters strewn throughout the government. Combine this with the chaos created by incompetent (or Vichy) high commanders, and it's easy to see why they surrendered so quickly. How would the US have fared in the war had 1/3 of its government been fifth columnists? :D




Grahf

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#55 14 years ago
FryaDuckNo need to guess as it was the issue sidearm. BTW the P08 wasn't which makes me wonder why the game has them. Don't even try WWII history is my biatch.

WWII history is also my biatch. Actually if memory serves, there were nearly as many P08s (if not more) in use by the Wermacht as there were P38s. Regardless of wheter or not the P38 was "the official sidearm". I think FH should have Lugers...maybe as an officer weapon. Sorry but IMHO it's a sin to have a German army with no Lugers.




lukav

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#56 14 years ago
Pure-Chaos...There tanks were no match for the Germans.

roll%20eyes%20%28sarcastic%29.gif belgiums going neutral hurt france alot actually since france was planning on stationing troops there if im not mistaken




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#57 14 years ago

french resistance maps like the battle for Paris (with some 2nd Armored Div. tanks maybe) or in the Vercors (with allied weapons) could be very nice. Yougoslavian resistance maps too.




Count Nosferatu

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#58 14 years ago

FryaDuck It took a while for me to realize that P3 and P38 were tanks and not a PC and an Aircraft. Please if you are going to abreviate tank nomenclature that you actualy use the correct one. PzIII, Pz38t are very quickly understood. [/quote] If you really want to be pedantic you could say that the correct term is Panzerkampfwagen Drei Ausf [Model number here]. But you know what? We don't. Because any halfwit with a bit of WWII knowledge can half guess the context of the message and know that he was talking about tanks and not planes and Pentiums...

No need to guess as it was the issue sidearm. BTW the P08 wasn't which makes me wonder why the game has them.
P08 isn't in FH... [QUOTE=Grahf]WWII history is also my biatch. Actually if memory serves, there were nearly as many P08s (if not more) in use by the Wermacht as there were P38s. Regardless of wheter or not the P38 was "the official sidearm".

You are right there were more P08s than P38s. Only after WWII did parity and overtaking occur when the Western German army adopted it as their standard sidearm IIRC.

I think FH should have Lugers...maybe as an officer weapon. Sorry but IMHO it's a sin to have a German army with no Lugers.

Seconded. I hope they don't do an utter crap model like that COD joke...




Spike1942

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#59 14 years ago
AussieZaitsevi was just reading wwiivehicles.com and they said that the BEF in belgium and France only possessed 2 matilda II tanks.

Sorry, you misread that site. It says the British had 2 Matilda II's on the outbreak of war, in September 1939.

When the Germans invaded France the British only had 1 armored car regiment, 7 divisional cavalry regiments, and the incomplete 1 Army Tank Brigade with 2 regiments (4th & 7th) in France. In England they still had the 1st Armored Division which was below strength.

The 4th Royal Tank Regiment had 50 Matilda Mk Is and the 7th had 27 Matilda Mk Is and 23 Matilda Mk IIs. These were used to shock the Germans at Arras on May 21, 1940. This helped delay the Germans in cutting of the retreating BEF (British Expeditionary Force) at Dunkirk. During the evacuation from France, Britain left behind almost 700 tanks.

So on the Arras map in FH the British should have 2 Matilda II's and 6 Matilda I's.




AussieZaitsev

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#60 14 years ago

thanks for that, i stand corrected.