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Frontal Lobe

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#1 13 years ago

I just tried to knock out one Elefant with another and found out that it needed more than ten shots in its front with its own long 88. Even from the side or back you cant kill him with one shot. That seems far from realistic. On distances of 50m the 71L 88 was a one shoot kill to everything on wheels or tracks. What do you think? Should this be corrected in the next FH release? The Elefant also seems to be too fast. I couldnt find much difference in speed to the Tiger 1. In reality however the Elefant was little more than a manoeverable Bunker and much slower than most of the other tanks. So its speed should be closer to the Matilda, than to anything else. The model looks great. Maybe the best model in game, but I m not sure yet. I really like the Zimmerit, which doesnt cover the complete hull. That looks fantastic. The Elefant should be on more maps (maybe Orel?). If his disadvantages would be adjusted, it wouldnt even disbalance the map. cu Frontal Lobe




[11PzG]matyast

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#2 13 years ago

Those shots are weird...way too many

But the elefant is a worst "low profile" tank than the KT. Especially on Prohorovka. Its in the open, and the IL2s are deadly.




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#3 13 years ago

The jagdpanzer Tiger (P) had a top speed of ~25km/h and the panzerkampfwagon VI ausf E ~40km/h so it should be slower, but the tanks on has no chance vs the red ground attack planes on prokhorovka, and they have 4 of them + a stupid bomber that have nothing to to on that map. The germans should have some figher, maybe a heavy fighter. Anyway the ferdinand had alot of thick armor, but 1 shoot from that pak 43/2 36 L/71 cannon should be the end for it.




Beast of War

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#4 13 years ago

The machine operating in Prokhorovka was a Ferdinand, not an Elephant.

Elephants were developed after (bad) expereinces in Russia where they sunk in the mud and were bogged down, and lacked a mg for defence against infantry, and most were lost. The remaining were sent back for upgrading and then were sent to Italy with it's harder more suitable ground surface.

Both types had 2 engines, the reliable maybach 120 with an output up to 300 HP each.

On hard surface they could reach 30 km/h, on soft ground 10 km/h ( walking speed )

With a frontal armour of 200 mm ( same thickness of a Tiger II ausf B, only not sloped ) it was invulnerable - the front armour that is - to all Russian AT field guns ( and asumingly to tank cannons aswell ) In fact the Germans used the Ferdinands to hunt AT field guns and destroy bunkers and field fortifcations, rather then hunt tanks with it. Nevertheless one Ferdinand was known to have knocked out a T34 beyond a range of 4 km.

At 500 m a Ferdinand/Elephant could have knocked another Ferdinand/Elephant out through the front armour, but only with a Panzergranate 40. At 1000 m neither grenade would be sufficient to penetrate the thick frontal armour anymore. Note that this was still the highest quality armour, unlike the Tiger II ausf B, so it might well be the Ferdinand/Elephant was the heaviest armoured and best protected vehicle the Germans ever produced, even while the armour was not really sloped.




HDN

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#5 13 years ago
Frontal Lobe The Elefant should be on more maps (maybe Orel?). If his disadvantages would be adjusted, it wouldnt even disbalance the map.

It is on Orel, it doesn't spawn right away, only as reinforcements.




ww2freak

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#6 13 years ago

I think the Ferdinand speed is just about right.




azndethman

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#7 13 years ago

elefant is a heavy tank right? or it a tank killer?




Mackan

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#8 13 years ago

Tank killer.




TigerRei

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#9 13 years ago

[EDIT] Gotta love books with incomplete or just plain wrong information. The Elefant and the Maus are not the same tank, even though they look surprisingly alike and are designed by the same person, Ferdinand Porsche. Sorry.




FryaDuck

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#10 13 years ago

Beast of WarThe machine operating in Prokhorovka was a Ferdinand, not an Elephant.[/QUOTE]

Actually the Ferdinand wasn't issued to the Waffen SS in Operation Citadel. It was used on the Northern arm of the salient with the Wehrmacht. Yes, you are correct it shouldn't have the hull gunner as that was introduced later. If I was really being technical I'd say it also has the Italian "vine" pattern cam as well but that might cause a dev to suicide.

[QUOTE=TigerRei][EDIT] Gotta love books with incomplete or just plain wrong information. The Elefant and the Maus are not the same tank, even though they look surprisingly alike and are designed by the same person, Ferdinand Porsche. Sorry.

Really, does this;

Ferdinand Elefant-01.jpg

look like this;

Maus-01.jpg