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UTHER

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#1 9 years ago

This is just a thread to highlight certain kit concerns for 2.15. I have just 2 concerns but others can raise there concerns here.

Firstly i am aware that for 2.15 we will be seeing the Tiger tank, my concern here is that as of yet i have seen nothing on the Churchill tank, i feel this is a very important tank for the allies as it was used extensively during the late African campaign and also Sicily, infact i believe the first Tiger to be knocked out was done by a Churchill tank on the Mareth line.

Secondly my concern is again for allied equipment, this time for the 17lbr anti tank gun, which came into service in early 1943 and again saw action in the late african campaign, again i have seen nothing said about this for FH 2.15.

I suppose all in all my concern is that FH will now be dominated by the Tiger, as i do agree its important to have the Tiger in game i must also add that for balance and historical accuracy please dont forget the allied equipment.

PS. What about the PIAT? Will we see that in 2.15, as it also came into service in 1942.




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#2 9 years ago
UTHER;4698127This is just a thread to highlight certain kit concerns for 2.15. I have just 2 concerns but others can raise there concerns here.

Concerns. Right.

Firstly i am aware that for 2.15 we will be seeing the Tiger tank, my concern here is that as of yet i have seen nothing on the Churchill tank, i feel this is a very important tank for the allies as it was used extensively during the late African campaign and also Sicily, infact i believe the first Tiger to be knocked out was done by a Churchill tank on the Mareth line.

Right. So you'd like to have yet another slow-moving heavily armored low-gunned (ok, 6pdr isnt exactly low) tank to counter the Tiger, or just in general? Sorry but that train has left. Too late for now. There are other measures to take on the Tiger than just giving it an easy prey. Churchill will come. Some day.

Secondly my concern is again for allied equipment, this time for the 17lbr anti tank gun, which came into service in early 1943 and again saw action in the late african campaign, again i have seen nothing said about this for FH 2.15.

Indeed. You havent seen anything about it because there hasnt been anything about it.

I suppose all in all my concern is that FH will now be dominated by the Tiger, as i do agree its important to have the Tiger in game i must also add that for balance and historical accuracy please dont forget the allied equipment.

Dominated by the tiger? Unlikely. Theres still Beaufighter, tellermines, 6pdr, pak40, 88 and even crusaders and shermans to counter the Tiger. Its not "unbalanced" (War _isnt_ balanced in the first place...).

PS. What about the PIAT? Will we see that in 2.15, as it also came into service in 1942.

No, we wont. Quoting from info: "It was first used in the Sicily campaign and remained the primary portable anti-tank weapon for the British throughout the war." And as you seem to know it, Sicily campaign took place in 1943 and not in 1942. So the PIAT cant be in 2.15 to start with.




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#3 9 years ago

I appreciate your comments, however i must point out i was merely enquiring if the above equipment was going to be in.

As for your comments on the Churchill yes it is slow and heavily armoured, and easy prey in the wrong hands. But that does not detract from the point that they were in Africa in far greater numbers than the Tiger, now surely from that point alone they should therefore be in game now. The fact that they are not is in my opinion a sad fact but hey thats tough i suppose. As for your argument on war not being balanced, i will respectfully disagree in the case of WWII, i think things found there own balance. For example the Tiger was a much better tank than anything the allis had ignoring its ability to break down alot, however on balance the allies had far greater numbers of Shermans so could send 5 in against 1 Tiger. So on that fact are you therefore telling me that we will see Fh maps with 1 Tiger but at least 5 Shermans ?




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#4 9 years ago

War is a food chain. Bigger dog eats the smaller dog. Only way to win is to become bigger than the enemy dog.

Reason why stuff arent in FH2 is because they arent made. Churchills or 17pdr's dont just pop out of thin air. They need to be made. And there hasnt been demand for them yet as we only have two Tunisia maps and only one of them could house these gadgets. And Mareth Line is already stuck with loads of new stuff like the Deacon, Tiger, Pak40 and Panzer3N.

And Mareth Line already has a huge supply of Shermans in 2.1, so yeah, the Tiger is being outnumbered by the british tanks by far. Which of course doesnt always mean they can group and destroy the Tiger if the Tiger commander has any knowledge what he is doing. With the superior range and armour, the shermans will have tough time to take the Tiger down, but it isnt impossible.

Dont stress about the Tiger being the dominant and not having the 17pdr and Churchill around. I think those things belong into the game aswell and I wish to see them someday too. But the Tiger isnt really that great people hype it to be. Surely, it destroys every tank in the game with just one shot in a range with 100% accuracy unimaginable for other tanks to even compete with, not to mention it can take almost any sort of punishment the allied can throw at it, but still... it isnt that great. :P

It will be just one juicy target for the Beaufighters.




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#5 9 years ago

Uther... relax, 2.15 comes on fri 5th, there are people who have tested the Tiger, it will not "dominate" FH, its on one map so far, and it will be manned by 1/64 players, thats less than 2% of the players that will be in the Tiger.

The rest 98% will be fighting in the uberness of fh2.

you will also.

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#6 9 years ago

There were just about 20 tigers which was sent to africa.

The Churchill is a good tank, if I remembered right, it was the mk5 which had a 75 mm gun.




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#7 9 years ago

JUST TO HIGHLIGHT MY SADNESS

:bawl:

On 21 April 1943, a Tiger of the Schwere Panzer-Abteilung 504 with turret number 131 was captured after a fight with Churchill tanks of the British 48th Royal Tank Regiment in Tunisia on a hill called Djebel Djaffa. It was repaired and displayed in Tunisia before being sent to England for a thorough inspection.

ANYONE GOT A TISSUE?:bawl:




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#8 9 years ago

When and if Churchill and 17pdr gets added to the game (presumably ideal would be sicilian and italian maps), I bet they would eventually end up into Mareth Line aswell.




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#9 9 years ago

[QUOTE=Flippy Warbear;4698155]War is a food chain. Bigger dog eats the smaller dog. Only way to win is to become bigger than the enemy dog.

Reason why stuff arent in FH2 is because they arent made. Churchills or 17pdr's dont just pop out of thin air. They need to be made. And there hasnt been demand for them yet as we only have two Tunisia maps and only one of them could house these gadgets. And Mareth Line is already stuck with loads of new stuff like the Deacon, Tiger, Pak40 and Panzer3N.

The above underlined highlights my issue exactly, all the new stuff you mentioned is axis, as the only one allied kit you mentioned is the Deacon which is not new it is already in game. Also you say there are only 2 map to put it in is also a flawed argument as is not that also the case for the Tiger yet it is in anyway? The fact that we will see the PAK 40 and not the 17lbr again highlights this issue and makes me a very sad panda.




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#10 9 years ago
UTHER;4698174 The above underlined highlights my issue exactly, all the new stuff you mentioned is axis, as the only one allied kit you mentioned is the Deacon which is not new it is already in game.

But the british can use the PaK40 against the Tiger, same goes for the Flak18.

Also you say there are only 2 map to put it in is also a flawed argument as is not that also the case for the Tiger yet it is in anyway? The fact that we will see the PAK 40 and not the 17lbr again highlights this issue and makes me a very sad panda.

Well thats sad. Im not the one responsible of what gets done and what not. You just have to make due what you have, or learn to help the crew. They need more talented modders.