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Cpt Butterpants

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#1 13 years ago

Hey i notice that the grenades are all pretty much the same for all armys. Is this pretty true to life -was the Potatoe masher as good as the allied "pinapple" and that weird Japanese can?




Yossarian

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#2 13 years ago

I'm not totally sure about this (read: correct me if I'm wrong) but the Stielhandgranate was a concussion grenade, designed more to disorient, while the Pinapple was a fragmentation grenade, that was designed primarily to chew up bodies.




pvt. Allen

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#3 13 years ago

Almost correct, the M3 grenade fragmentation grenade was more powerful... and dangerous for it's user. Stielhandgranate could be used while chargeing on enemy positions because it didn't blewed it's fragments into air and hurt its user.




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#4 13 years ago

Frankly, I have no idea, but I'll guess that even if the stielhandgrenate didn't had as much shrapnel as the allied grenades, it's explosive charge still had to be pretty lethal, have in mind that the gebalte ladung, that thing that was simply 7 of them attached to a single stick, was able to penetrate 20mm of armor, without being a hollow charge.




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#5 13 years ago

The Stielhandgranate could also be thrown further compared to the Mills, F1 or Mk2 'Pineapple' Hand Grenade.

The Mills grenade was very similar to the Russian F1 or American M3:

Mills Grenade:

Originally patented by golf club designer William Mills in 1915, the Mills bomb was a defensive grenade adopted by the British Army as the standard hand grenade in 1915 as the No. 5.

The Mills is a classic design; a grooved cast iron 'pineapple' with a central striker held by a close hand lever and secured with a pin. Although the segemented body helps to create fragments when the grenade explodes, according to Mills' notes, the casing was grooved to make it easier to grip and not as an aid to fragmentation. The Mills is a defensive grenade, a competent thrower could manage 30 m with reasonable accuracy but the grenade can throw lethal fragments further than this so after throwing the user had to take cover immediately.

At first the grenade was fitted with a seven second fuse to cater for both hand and rifle launch, but during combat in the Battle of France in 1940, this delay proved too long and was therefore reduced to four seconds.

Due to the unpredictable pattern of fragmentation caused by 'pineapple' type grenades, in the post-war period Britain and the US adopted defensive grenades that contain segmented coiled wire in smooth metal casings instead of ones with heavy segmented bodies.

Stielhandgrenate:

This type of grenade, featuring a high explosive charge encased in a thin sheet steel can is an example of an 'offensive' (relying on blastic effect), rather than 'defensive' (fragmentation) grenade. A fragmentation sleeve ('Splitterring') was adopted in 1942 which could be slid over the head of the grenade and whose serrated body would be scattered on detonation, making it of more use against personnel. The stick allowed the thrower to achieve a longer throwing range (depending of course on individual ability) than other grenades.

Model 97:

The Japanese Type 97 hand grenade was prone to not function properly. They regularly went off when they werent supposed to. Soldiers used to tap the grenades on their helmets to check the fuse was working properly.

The Model 97 (or Type 97) hand grenade was the standard Japanese Army grenade. It had the same principles as the American M1 fragmentation grenade: when it exploded, it dispersed sharp pieces of metal (shrapnel). To detonate the grenade, you had to pull a little cord out of a wooden stick, and then throw it. Fuse length averaged at four to five seconds.

F1 Grenade:

The Soviet F-1 hand grenade, nicknamed the limonka (lemon) is an anti-personnel fragmentation grenade. It contains a 60 gram explosive charge (TNT). The total weight of the grenade with the fuse is about 600 grams. The UZRGM fuse is a universal Russian type also used in the RG-41, RG-42, and RGD-5 grenades. The fuse time is 3.5 to 4 seconds.

Based upon the British Mills bomb, the grenade is similar in appearance to the U.S. Army "pineapple" grenade. It has a steel exterior that is ribbed to generate shrapnel upon detonation. The distance the grenade can be thrown is estimated at 30-45 meters. The circumference of the shrapnel dispersion is about 30 meters.

Mk2 Grenade:

The MK2 grenade is a fragmentation hand grenade used the US armed forces during WWII and in later conflicts.

The MK2 was commonly known as a "pineapple" grenade, because of its distinctive shape. Grooves were cut into the explosive shell to facilitate the generation of shrapnel upon detonation - this provision gave it the appearance of a pineapple fruit.

That's all I could find at the moment but basically, grenades were catagorised into two types: 'offensive' and 'defensive' grenades according to their properties.




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#6 13 years ago

i think you cant say ''it was better'' chous the german Stielhandgranate was ''Hi Explosive'' american m3 ''fragmentation'', so 2 total diverent granades. only when a american grenade explode in front of your feet you wil be hit by granade splinters, and if you got hit by a german stielhandgrenate your whole damn leg flys around. so the german nades wherent ''friendly'' for the one to be hit by it ..:) note: german SS used versions of the stielhandgrenate with fragmentations. ''Damit NCOL wy do you always post when im posting! you always got more info than i do :bawl: :D ''




pvt. Allen

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#7 13 years ago

Stielhandgranate did't have any shrapnels, it was explosive grenade only. It's firepower haven't got nothing to it's range, if you are about 25 meters from the explosion place you have absolutely nothing to worry about, but with M3 frag grenade you have to hide to lower the risk of getting hurt by a shrapnel. thats why the Stielhandgranate is better grenade for infantry assults. The M3 shrapnels should be also included in FH.




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#8 13 years ago
'[nlInvincible']i think you cant say ''it was better'' chous the german Stielhandgranate was ''Hi Explosive'' american m3 ''fragmentation'', so 2 total diverent granades.

But american soldiers still complained about theyre grenades, Germans had the posibility of throwing grenade and running to place where the done it without a risk of getting a pice of steel in their body.




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#9 13 years ago

yeah I know, but on the other site i think its kinde of strange, the british infantry prefert the american grenades above ther Mils grenades, the recistance wher happy with them ass wel... I think americane grenades wher beter to used in trances and buildings than in open fields and streets.




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#10 13 years ago

Any fragmentation grenade is better than high explosive grenade for clearing closed spaces.