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NoCoolOnesLeft

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#41 16 years ago

Why do certain countries forbid the Swastika and other signs of the Nazi regime and World War II? This is one thing I cant get my head around.

In my opinion, it does sound like some people are just 'sweeping it under the carpet'. It is a part of history that cannot be ignored, and we all have to live with it. My family fought against the Nazi regime, the German army, Japanese imperialism and countless people I know have members of family that died during World War II, but are they offended by the Swastika? No. It's also in my opinion that some have to open their eyes and accept the fact that it was a dark time for many countries, but every country has had it's dark time. Take the English flag used in the Crusades, that was a flag that symbolizes the dead of thousands, but is it banned? Nope, and no one is offended by it either. The flag used by the German army was a symbol of the death of thousands in World War I, but I cant see many offended by that. I've taken into account that the Swastika was a symbol of the death of 6 million Jews too, but many Jews I have talked to do not find it at all offensive.

This is a forum, and I just posted my opinion, which I'm entitled to. If you think of flaming me for it, dont even start. I'm not saying the Devs should add the Swastika and such to FH, that's their decision, what I am saying is that there are some states of mind in this world that seem to want to hide what happened in World War II, the Swastika as a fine example.




Major Hartmann

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#42 16 years ago

I guess you could see it that way :) It's only just that the guys in the army are extremely strict due to the part the Wehrmacht played in the rise of the 3rd Reich.




NoCoolOnesLeft

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#43 16 years ago

I understand, I just wrote that because this thread got me thinking. If you want to put it into a different perspective, you'd find that the Swastika would be offensive to people fighting against it in World War II, not the people that were reprisented by it. This is why I find that Germany banning it and a country like England not, very stupid and confusing.




D-Fens

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#44 16 years ago

Well no shit, considering Dice had plenty of rising sun flags, but I guess I didnt notice they were back since I have to use these realism mods..




Niles[DK]

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#45 16 years ago

NoCoolOnesLeft - there is a huge difference between the crusade a thousand years ago, and WWII. I'm not german, but I can imagine it being a heavy load to bear for some germans. WWII was like yesterday, some germans still have living relatives who fought in the war. I don't think banning the swastika was an easy decision to make, as it is against freedom of speech, politic conviction and so on. But just think how germans a percieved by the rest of the world, 90% or more of all WWII movies are american and present the germans as evil, and the swastika as the symbol of evil (and i'm not defending nazism or critisizing americans). There was a thread in the "off topic" forum a while ago, something like "what did your grandfather do in WWII", and even though maybe 50% of the people playing FH are germans, only 1 out of maybe 20 posts in that thread was by a german telling about his grandfather, the rest where allies grandkids - made me think. I don't believe in burying the past, but in this case it's understandable, not all wounds are healed, that plus german neo-nazis heiling and waving the swastika and that being shown on tv around the world, forces the german goverment to take a stand against it. That's how I see it.

One question, would it be illegal for FH to add the realism pack as an optional patch, clearly stating that it is for the sake of realism, and that FH is against any form of rasicm, nazism and so on. As long as each player has to download and install the patch seperately, isn't it then a private matter, isn't the swastika and those symbols only forbidden in public ?




NoCoolOnesLeft

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#46 16 years ago
'Niles[DK']NoCoolOnesLeft - there is a huge difference between the crusade a thousand years ago, and WWII.

It was an example, I gave plenty of other examples too. I could say the same for the Vietcong flags, Korea or any other war. But I wont go into detail. What I'm saying, is that things reprisented in those wars arent banned, so why is the Swastika? People from the Korea and Vietnam wars still live today.




prodigy [GER]

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#47 16 years ago

@NoCoolOnesLeft

That is the most impressive opinion,I'd ever heard of a british guy! you're right man !

The german flag was nothing else, like the british on a tank, or a russian flag on a tank. their were all soldiers, who fight for threi countries. they get orders and they had to execute them. the wwII was a evil time for every european nation, and don't forget the japanese. your granfather fighted against the nazi regime my grandfathers fighted for his country, for his family, for his way home. not for the flag. he was still a soldier like every other soldier in this evil war. but we german must not forget the holocaust. it was an indescribable crime!!

but that all is not our mistake! we have to accept the law. and thats it !




Arisaka

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#48 16 years ago
'prodigy [GER']we have to accept the law. and thats it !

you also have the right (duty, actually) to stand up against unjust laws. (i'm not suggesting deliberatly breaking the law, but rally against it in an educated manner of course)

but i can't say that i would act that differently though. i'm just... sitting here on the sideline.... giving... directions... :uhm:




prodigy [GER]

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#49 16 years ago

@Arisaka,

you're right, but when a german try to stands up against the law, he'll callled a nazi ! and thats the problem. We germans are trapped in our own historie.