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D-Fens

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#41 15 years ago

That's why EA is so succesfull, they spend as little as possible on their people and games and put it on advertising instead.




Azik«¤»Blaze

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#42 15 years ago

It's not at all fake, Donitz. In fact, this is becoming an increasingly common practice amongst software development as a whole. The news outlets are just beginning to pick up on it and there's been a class-action lawsuit filed against EA --> http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/11/11/news_6112998.html Yet, there clearly needs to be MORE ACTION and more PROTECTION for employees against these tyrannical corporate practices. I'll refer you to IDGA's Quality of Life whitepaper: http://www.igda.org/qol/whitepaper.php "That's why EA is so succesfull, they spend as little as possible on their people and games and put it on advertising instead." Absolutely. Y'know it's funny, I was watching SPEED channel awhile back and they had an actual 30-minute program on at prime-time about 'The Making of EA's NASCAR 2005'. The didn't show any of their 'sweat shops' though, just project managers and the like gloating about the product from what I can remember, and of course a few well-known NASCAR drivers playing it. Gives you an idea of just how much they spend on advertising, now juxtapose that with how they pinch every penny in development and you start to get a good idea of what this company is all about. Of course every company is about the bottom line, but not every company adopts morally inept policies to further their ambitions.




emonkies

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#43 15 years ago
Großadmiral Dönitzheh i truely hope that the above article is fake, working 90 hours a week without compensation (for the 30-!!- hours you work extra) is illegal last time i checked.

Its not illegal if they are salary. Over 40 hours you get overtime but if you are salary then the law does not require you to be compensated.

In fact good old Reichsmarshall Bush signed into law a bill that said that employeers were no longer obligated to pay white collar hourly workers in certain job categories any overtime pay. If your job classification falls under the categories, then you could be made to work non compensated mandatory overtime.

I used to work for a company that processed and copied microfilms of the banks daily transactions and legal documents for storage purposes.

Against my wishes our department was put on salary. When the company started downsizing they started letting people go and doing same work with fewer people. It got to where I was trying to do the work of 3 people and started getting written up and reprimanded for not being able to get the jobs done in time. I sought legal advice and was told since I was salary I had no legal ground so I quit.




|HV|MacGyver

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#44 15 years ago
schoolkidSecret Weapons is 10 times better than Road to Rome, and I consider it well worth the money I payed. As for BFV, the sole problem with it is that it lacked something new, something original, that could set it apart from BF1942. It' still a solid and fun game - just not fresh. Which is still going strong. The only problem with Generals is that it lacks certain C&C aspects. It's still a great game, and plays true to the series.

RTR is a 1000 times better than SW in terms of quality, gameplay and overall polished state, but of course the content might appeal to you more, no point discussing that (even though I LOVE the rtr maps and wish more ppl still played it) BFV: crappy, buggy, far from polished come to mind, no 'fresh' thing would have saved it: plainly it's the works of a publisher that smells money and forces a game to be pushed out to quickly. Generals: can I quote myself ? crappy, buggy and far from polished, don't bother trying to get online it's much quicker to mail the packets instead off getting it working over the net. Again: EA's fault. People blame the developers to quickly; true some devs really suck, but that's rare and still... This is how it works: Devs create a game (with the publishers' input), they polish it and send it to the publisher; the publisher then checks if the game runs on as much hardware as possible, stress tests it and sends feedback back to the devs so they can adress it. Basically every bug that you find in a game that is nothing graphically or coded-wise that hasn't got anything to do with the in-game stuff (AI, physics etc.) is a bug that is there because the publisher didn't check it enough, and gave the devs time to fix. Note though that the publisher should test and notice all bugs as he is the one with the most man-power and hardware to pull it off. Publishers I 'like': Ensemble Studios (now part of Microsoft and they keep close contact with their userbase/fans), Microsoft (you can think what you want but they're awsome in terms of support and polishement and they treat their devs well as far as I know), Larian Studios (it'd be a shame not to put them in since I'm belgian hehe, but again: great support, close contact with their userbase/fans,...) can't think of any others that match these really. EA just sucks in every way: worst support, no contact with userbase/fans, no pollishing...I don't mind them at all for 'milking' stuff, it's their right to do so and hey if you can deliver more great stuff why wouldn't you but the problem is it most of the time isn't. Let's be honest though: this is a business of money, BIG money, times are harsh and development times are getting longer. Despite this quality shouldn't suffer, NEVER, it just isn't right to rip people off with a car that only has 3 tires, no fuel tank,.... One last thing: this reminds me of Tribes 2, the concept of the game is just to dream of and, being it nearly 4 years old now I still love it, but it was another case of the publisher pushing it out way to early, it took almost over a year before you could play it decently, sadly enough the devs got punished because of this and Dynamix got shut down. Damn you Sierra bawl.gif may you burn in hell! sad%20(frown).gif Edit: Damn Anlushac11, I can't imagine that happening here, there'd be major riots lol. Sounds like another reason to vote for Bush :rolleyes:




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#45 15 years ago
Anlushac11Its not illegal if they are salary. Over 40 hours you get overtime but if you are salary then the law does not require you to be compensated. In fact good old Reichsmarshall Bush signed into law a bill that said that employeers were no longer obligated to pay white collar hourly workers in certain job categories any overtime pay. If your job classification falls under the categories, then you could be made to work non compensated mandatory overtime. I used to work for a company that processed and copied microfilms of the banks daily transactions and legal documents for storage purposes. Against my wishes our department was put on salary. When the company started downsizing they started letting people go and doing same work with fewer people. It got to where I was trying to do the work of 3 people and started getting written up and reprimanded for not being able to get the jobs done in time. I sought legal advice and was told since I was salary I had no legal ground so I quit.

eekx.gif I would pack my packs and move to Canada or Europe and kill herr "Führer" Bush on the way out. No way you can work here 30 hours extra and not getting compensatied by either money or extra time off. Wether you are a fulltime employee, art time or being hired on a case by case bases. If EA or some other company would put the story above here or what you say they would have to compensate you, if they refuse you only have to notify the justice department and they will make sure the company will obey the law and pay you your money. With the law you describe above i wouldn't be suprised if the company would fire 1/3 - 2/3 of their staff and let the rest of the staff do uncompensated 'overtime' . God bless america and god bless capatalism. roll%20eyes%20%28sarcastic%29.gif




BAM

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#46 15 years ago
Gobo12Like it's implying that the Canadians did a shitty job.

well in this case they did ..




sidtherat

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#47 15 years ago
Generals: can I quote myself ? crappy, buggy and far from polished, don't bother trying to get online it's much quicker to mail the packets instead off getting it working over the net. Again: EA's fault.

well, first generals sucked some, with expansion things became better, and with DeeZire mod it is just pure fun - i dont have any problems playing online and via LAN [lan is better tho - it is fast paced rts, and it is fun to hear curses of your opponent :) and have a beer after 5 rounds or so]

if we are at rushed things - LOTR: Battle for middle earth seems rushed in my opinion - this game.. feels.. as if had good conception but lost the momentum somewhere middle - how entertaining a game can be if it is based around 2 epic battles [awesome ones tho]? tolkien novels were about great war, but they did not go further into details - rts without details? borring, and it seems that campaign is simply borring - and multiplayer is f.. by unbalanced units [catapults.. how do i hate them]

and dont think europe is wunderland - big corporates have their own ways to take as much as they can without giving anything - they are good at it




Kakoru

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#48 15 years ago

Ehhh..who cares. If EA milks BF, I've got the perfect solution: Don't buy it!

Eitherway, this doesn't really affect FH much.. It's not like it's possible to have an SDK for this type of game




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#49 15 years ago

"It's not like it's possible to have an SDK for this type of game"

its not possible for EA/DICE to release a SDK for this type of game




striderx2048

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#50 15 years ago

if BF2 is not SDK-able, should anyone one here really buy. we are just going to be stuck at square one again. complaining about the same things because of a lack of SDK.