While I have my issues with Forgotten Hope, I realize it's a great mod and probably the best BF1942 mod out right now. While I've promoted how fun it is to others, I've noticed a somewhat universal reluctance to give it a try. Not because they are unsure, but because of the sheer volume of the mod that scares people away. I can't tell you how many times I've been told "a gig and a half to install? I'll pass". I'd say the average mod runs anywhere from 100-500 megs to fully install, with FH obviously dwarfing those numbers. So my question is do you think the size of the mod is scaring off a lot of players, a few, or no one? I think it's turning off a decent amount of people who are unwilling to pretty much make their computer unusable for a few hours while this sucks down all their bandwidth. I think the problem is that there are just way too many maps in FH with a lot of dead weight. I think leaving any original DICE maps is a bad idea, simply because the average person doesn't want to play FH to play DICE maps, but wants a whole new gaming experience entirely. I also think some other maps...well, it makes me wonder who the Hell decided to actually sanction them as part of the official mod pack. Fall Weiss usually ends up turning into a chat room because people are so bored. Atlantic...well, Atlantic just sucks. It's a joke watching tanks get stuck in 1 foot ditches in Alpenfestung, and why we have two Omaha beach maps is just beyond me. And don't even get me started on the balance issues of Zielona Gora and Berlin Outskirts. So perhaps a boost to the player base is simply trimming off the excess fat off of installation, especially when God knows how many maps eat up twice as much RAM as other maps, alienating a lot of players due to lag concerns.
Yes well considering how small the map files are, you would only make a SMALL dent in the size of the download, especially with the Dice maps.
And yes I too have tried to get many friends to get FH but they can't, because of slow internet connection, or just don't wish to D/L FH.
I happen to like the Dice/EA maps. The familiarity with them and the extra tweaks (vehicles and some layout changes) are awsome. Though Ive yet to play a close game on El Alamein or Gazala they are still 2 of my favorite maps. I love the tweaks to wake and Iwo Jima...its eye candy and its fun to play.
To the main point of your post, my friends are a little reluctant because of the size. They dont want to sit and wait for it to download. The few I have gotten to play it, love it and we play it more than DC or BFV right now.
Just my $0.02
In answer to this threads question i think yes, it does.
It took me while to finally be arsed to spend the time downloading over 1gig of a mod, it was definately worth it though.
So yeah, there are probably more out there like me =/
I think leaving any original DICE maps is a bad idea, simply because the average person doesn't want to play FH to play DICE maps
What?! I love DICE maps in FH. They are mighty fun!
Yeah I guess it does, too bad for them though, if you have a broadband connection just leave your comp during the night and it will be finished when you wake up. What's the big problem? Besides that if you have a decent connection you have the files downloaded in less then an hour.
There is no need to remove DICE maps, since FH uses the original map files so the download size isnt much larger. As for maps being small..? a lot of them are 40-60mb each.
I think that the reason that potential new players choose not to download FH is not the size of the mod, but the number of files that a player must get in order to install the mod.
I know that I wanted to try the mod back when it was in version .5x, however I waited until .60 was released because there were simply to many files to get. Let me say, I don't think that is necessarily the actual number of files ( what is it, 4? currently?) but the manner of distrubution. Four files, even large ones, is not that bad, however getting four files from servers ala. Fileplanet (non-subscription) is a pain in the ass. This coupled with the fact that the install instructions aren't that good/not easily available, is what is keeping FH from reaching more people. Just read the current Official Battlefield 1942 forums. People know about the mod, and the want to try it, however they simply have too many questions: Where do I get it? How many files do I need? How do I install it? What is this map pack? DO I need that? etc. etc. And these are just the people that have gone through the trouble of registering on a forum and posting the questions. How many more people are there that don't get that far?
Maybe, but if you don't own a broadband connection you mistook baking for online gaming. :D Considering Bittorent and fast servers + your fast connection 1,5 gig isn't all that much.
Those that really want to find a way will. On PBF, there are dudes sending discs to guys that want to play. It may be a factor but it is a small one and do you really see a way around it? Bigger factors are balanced and fun gameplay. BTW, I like the original maps as well.