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emonkies

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#61 15 years ago
yuiopShhh, I like it when people debate things with Anlushac since I end up learning something. It's almost worth making ridiculous statements just so you pick up a fact or two.... Btw, the Ha-Go was the best overall tank in the war.

Even a Italian M11/39 would own a Ha-Go. A .50cal AP round can penetrate about 12mm of armor, which is about the same as a Ha-go carries. The 47mm cannon on a M11/39 would tear it up. Once FH fixes the bug on the Ha-Go it wont be so popular.




MR.X`

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#62 15 years ago

brumbar=big tall brick with a snubby gun that looks like the fat retard that lives outside the supermarket.




Oxide

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#63 15 years ago
AceSWe have made a new Jagdpanzer model (old one is DC) and I m currently skinning it. Used a new skinning technique.. should turn out well but have a look for yourselves when it's finished.

Normal mapping?

Any plans on skinning that Hetzer model btw? :)




tvih

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#64 15 years ago

Hetzer would be nice to have. Sure, other countries could use some more vehicles too, but if the Hetzer can be added with minor trouble, why not?

As for the Hetzer's performance and all that... well, the armor protection was indeed quite good, better than in my beloved StuGs. What the StuG had going for it was less cramped interior (still not luxurious though) and thus it was easier and more comfortable to operate. I'm not sure on this, but it might've had better visibility from the inside? It had good visibility, but don't know how it was for Hetzer. Probably worse due to crampedness?

And the importance of size should definitely not be underestimated. If you look even at just a Panzer IV J and StuG III G next to each other (at the barracks where I served, they were that way) the difference is huge. The StuG is just so much smaller a target. Of course if you're right next to the tank, you could hit either one just fine, but imagine how much of a difference it ends up being at ranges of 500 meters and more. With the poor training of the Soviet crews, inferior optics and poor visibility from the T-34 tanks, the Hetzer must've really been a dreaded enemy, with its actual height probably being less than 2 meters (according to pictures with people standing next to the thing). They can't see them, and if they do, they have had a very hard time hitting them - and at that point, penetrating the armor! These facts can't be belittled. On the western front it's probably not as pronounced, but it still makes a huge difference there too. And as the Hetzer was smallish other than height-wise too, it wasn't such a big and noticeable target to planes than bigger tanks were.

The StuGs and the Hetzer were both very effective tank destroyers. StuGs are my favorite for a couple of reasons, but I've nothing against the Hetzer either, it's quite cool. Put it in... and the StuH 42 too ;)




Major Hartmann

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#65 15 years ago

Don't underestimate the advantage of small size. The new Jagdpanzer is way smaller than the old one was, only a little bit higher than a PanzerIV without a turret, and you cna hide it anywhere. Battle of the Bulge is a good example: In the town, you can hide between the boxes, and somebody coming from the US base won't see you till the first (and probably last) shot fired. Just the same you can hide behind that damaged buildings, you can barely look over the rubble, but nobody will see you there, too.




Gocad

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#66 15 years ago
Major HartmannDon't underestimate the advantage of small size. The new Jagdpanzer is way smaller than the old one was, only a little bit higher than a PanzerIV without a turret, and you cna hide it anywhere. Battle of the Bulge is a good example: In the town, you can hide between the boxes, and somebody coming from the US base won't see you till the first (and probably last) shot fired. Just the same you can hide behind that damaged buildings, you can barely look over the rubble, but nobody will see you there, too.

So can we expect to find the new JagdPz on the BotB map in 0.65? :)




Major Hartmann

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#67 15 years ago

I don't know, I have no deal in mapping, I only just put it there to have an extended testdrive :D




the_unborn

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#68 15 years ago

And how does it perform? Nasty killing machine?




Major Hartmann

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#69 15 years ago

It's got a 75mmL70, what do you expect?




C. Ankerstjerne

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#70 15 years ago

Just for the record - the Jagdpanzer 38 (Hetzer was never the code name for the Jagdpanzer 38, but rather for the E-10) was originally designed as a Sturmgeschütz, because the Alkett works had been seriously damaged by Allied bombing. A replacement Sturmgeschütz was needed, and BMM was chosen for the task, however because they didn't have the lifting capability or space to build a Sturmgeschütz based on the Pz.Kpfw. III chassis, the Pz.Kpfw. 38(t) chassis was chosen in stead. Guderian, who didn't have control of Sturmgeschütz production (this was placed under the Artillerie for political reasons), insisted that it should be designated a Panzerjäger in stead, which it was. The Jagdpanzer 38 wasn't an ideal solution, though, and only an interrim design until a better solution could be found (such as the E-10 Hetzer, which would have had both better mobility and most likely a better gun). The Jagdpanzer had the same gun as the Jagdpanzer IV, however the Jagdpanzer IV had somewhat better overall armour protection, and the Jagdpanzer IV was slightly lower as well.