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CologneSky

Death from above

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30th January 2004

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#1 13 years ago

I really apreciate the idea of having a large eastern front tank battle map but something went seriously wrong here.. 1) what is all this vegetation supposed to be?? To my understanding the area around kharkov was russian steppe with very little vegetation. The vegetation disturbs proper long range tank combat 2) why are the middle flags neutral? You should give all flags to the Soviets and the Germans should be on the offense. Especially as the Russian tank force has a major disadvantage quality wise.. Elefant, Panther, PzIVH against one KV1, crappy T34/76, Valentines and SU76.. That simply does not work out! So either give the Ruskies better tanks or and that is what I would prefer give them all flags at the beginning and some entrenchment (artillery, pak, etc..) AFAIK the Russians were well entrenched at the battle of Kharkov and the Germans attacking..




Ohioan

Not Wise Shitashi - Cheston

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6th October 2003

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#2 13 years ago

Well the hedgerows allow tanks to be stealthy and it adds a whole other level to the tank combat. I don't know if its realistic, but I like them.

Russians need an advantage Numbers-wise, and they dont have it. They need 6-7 T-34s , 3-4 KV-1s, 2 IKV-2s, and possibly, if the time period permits, an IS-2. More variety in Russian equipment could be seen, and a well-placed Panther tank is nearly unseatable in this level because nothing the Allies have can penetrate the front armor and the 75mm takes out 4 T-34s in 8 seconds, giving very little chance to flank.

I like this map though.




Komrad_B

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#3 13 years ago

As of now, the hedgerows are the russian's only chance. Giving all flags to the soviets, and perhaps a ISU-122 or SU-100 ( if we have them in 0.7..) would obvioulsy even the map for the russians. Perhaps a few KV-85 too :D.




Squadristi

The Black Shirt battalion

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#4 13 years ago

I agree with Komrad




SymZ

Someone set us up the bomb

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#5 13 years ago

ISU-122's would be a nice addition to the map, and the mod itself. Still though, I've read ISU-122's weren't exceptional in their AT capabilities unless they were using HEAT rounds and even then it would have to be at short distances. But still, they would be nice to see in game, same with ISU-152. About the SU-85 or SU-100 would be nice but since this is Kharkov 1943 not many SU-85's weren made yet and SU-100's weren't around yet. Were there any other types of lend-lease vehicles available to the russians during the battles of Kharkov other than the Valentine MKII's? Or maybe spawn another KV-1? KV-85 would be cool, giving the russians a bigger gun vs. the german armor since the T-34/85 wasn't available yet.




The American Way

The Mute Voice of Reason

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25th July 2004

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#6 13 years ago

Throwing in some Panzer Twos and some BT-7s wouldn't hurt; just for variety's sake.




Panzergrenadier Karl

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#7 13 years ago

sorrowly dont played the map too often yet, but i think its still balanced as it is now. Russians get, even yet, much more amor than axis+a good AT capability (RPGĀ“s). I think the major problem is just a favor for axis in the beginning. Especially on german servers always a problem. Most times when i play the map axis managed to get 3/4 of the flags-->lots of tanks. thereafter a formidable defence position with superior tanks and of course ticketbleed for allies. omg i hope you understand the text above :D:beer:




[KsR]SideWinder

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#8 13 years ago

Really good map in my opinion, the only thing I would add would be to put the German and Russian main base flags out in the open, with a small cap radius + requiring 2 people to capture. This should make it more difficult for a lone soldier to capture the outskirts of the city.




Forgotten Kevino Hope

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4th April 2005

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#9 13 years ago

The Ruskies Get Almost Every Spawn At The Beginning, Due To Speed And Location, But Soon After The Tiger Comes And Destroys Everything... Other Than That Its Pretty Even........ And Also The Vegetation Does Nothing When Opponents Name Tags Are Visible Through It And For Long Distances!!!! (hmmmm Think About It)




Herget

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#10 13 years ago

Valentine II is rather useless on this map, what was the mapper thinking of when he inserted it ... roll%20eyes%20%28sarcastic%29.gif The Valentines should be replaced with Churchills or Shermans.