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#1 10 years ago

What does it fire, AP or HE? I loaded Mareth Line 64 in local multiplayer, spawned as anti-tank, took a L6/40 and went testing it against vehicles in the birtish main

Results (firing at the same spots from point blank range):

vs. Bren carrier: AT rifle: destroyed with 3 shots L6/40: destroyed with 6 shots

vs. Marmon-Herrington: AT rifle: destroyed with 3 shots L6/40: destroyed with 10 shots

vs. Grant (aiming at side door): AT rifle: destroyed with 7 shots L6/40: destroyed with about 750* shots (!! 2 full ammo loadouts + 12 magazines + some shots out of the 13th)

*: Most of the shots ricocheted, and admittedly it quickly became a bit boring so I think my aim wandered a bit and not every bullet hit the side door. But even if we presume that only 5% of the shots were correctly aimed and didn't ricochet, the L6/40 needed about 35-40 penetrating hits to destroy the Grant!

so... what's up? Is it firing HE rounds? but it has much less explosion radius than the Marmon-Herrington which apparently uses the same (captured) gun (see the vehicle listing on the homepage) and if it's firing AP rounds, how can it be so worse than the 7.92 PzB39?

PS: I wished to test it against other vehicles as well but got so bored with the Grant that I abandoned the idea :P




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#2 10 years ago

It totally sucks, I'm not surprised if you could destroy that tank with a rifle.. EDIT: Huh now I look it up, the Marmon is using a Breda gun? Shouldn't that be Besa? Or did they used captured guns for that vehicle? Then Rattolavante's question about the gun is interesting. EDIT2: Looked it up on Wikipedia,

including the Italian 20 mm and 47 mm Breda, the German 37 mm PaK 35/36 and the 2.8 cm sPzB 41 taper bore gun

So it is using a captured gun.. But why are those so way different?




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#3 10 years ago

I agree that it sucks, but... did it really suck so much? I mean, a 20 mm cannon which is doing 1/2 to 1/3 the damage of a 7.92 AT rifle to lightly armored vehicles? And I'm not even considering the Grant because there might be some bug with materials




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#4 10 years ago

It's so strange, when you fire the 20mm Breda L6/40 gun it's like your firing a rifle.. But when you fire the Marmons 20mm Breda it's like a infantry killingmachine... Wheres a dev when you need one?!




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#5 10 years ago

You shouldn't compare the L6/40 with the Marmon-Herrington, they are supposed to be using different ammo: according to the wiki, HE for the Marmon, AP for the L6/40.

The problem is just that the L6/40's AP shells apparently don't pierce anything. The AT rifle is insanely better (insanely = 2 to 3 times more effective vs. light armor; and a couple orders of magnitude more effective vs. heavy armor).

I'm curious to check if the Pz.II and the 222 have the same problem with AP rounds




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#6 10 years ago

The L6/40 in FH2 fires Armour Penetrating (AP) rounds. The Marmon-Herrington on the other hand fires High Explosive (HE) rounds.

I do agree that the AP capability in FH2 is on the low side. Perhaps we can change that. Historically though, the L6/40 would have had both AP and HE rounds in its magazines, but I'm not sure if we can code that in FH2.




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#7 10 years ago

'LIGHTNING [NL;4395758']The L6/40 in FH2 fires Armour Penetrating (AP) rounds. The Marmon-Herrington on the other hand fires High Explosive (HE) rounds.

I do agree that the AP capability in FH2 is on the low side. Perhaps we can change that. Historically though, the L6/40 would have had both AP and HE rounds in its magazines, but I'm not sure if we can code that in FH2.

If you can't code mixed ammo, maybe the solution is ammo which inflicts both AP and HE damage (like in FH1)? It's also not very historical or realistic, but more than only AP shells, imo.