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Beast of War

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#151 15 years ago

All i know is a Tigers 88mm Kw.K. 36 L/56 with a Panzergranate 40 could penetrate the thickest part (110 mm) of a KV2 at 2000 m ( 2 km )

What that does mean at ranges we actually fight in FH, is entirely up to you. I personally think most tank combat in FH is at 150-500 meters, wich makes any discussion wether or not the KV2 would be penetrated totally useless. It would be, at the first shot.......kind of hard to miss too, with that bulky turret.

I fear that if that KV2 can resist Tiger fire, it is a fantasy unit.

I am not opposed to that KV2, i only say it is in the wrong map.......it should be fighting Panzer 38t, Panzer III and Panzer IV earlier in the war. Against them it would be a fearsome enemy, since their cannons could do little against it.




emonkies

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#152 15 years ago

But FH doesnt use the best ammo so your Tiger ausf E would be firing a Pz.Gr.39. and KV-1's and KV-2's went through a up armoring program early in 1941 so the front hull and turret armor is about 100mm.

The 88mm L/56 firing PZ.Gr39 ammo should penetrate a KV-1 or KV-2 frontal armor at 1500m.




judge reinhold

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#153 15 years ago
Ardent_PsycloneWe all could split hairs all day about what was or what was not present at a very large battle that happened 60+ years ago. I think what is important is that the KV-II could have been there (even one of them) and therefore we should have at least one on the Kursk maps. It is just plain fun to do so. After all, we are all here to have fun aren't we?

an is2 could have been there too i mean for all we know russia could develop a time machine 10 years from now and the sole purpose was to provide an is2 to their former army in the kursk battle just to be jerks about it




Artie

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#154 15 years ago

SacredLizardI really think that the German operation was a failure because the German high command (Hitler) called off the attack in response the allied landings in Sicily on 10 july. I agree with you, though, that the anti-tank fronts were plentiful during the operation, and were quite a hinderance to both pincers(especially the northern group). However, von Manstein and von Kluge both knew that they could have succeded if they were allowed to fight on, but that's not what happened.

spelled sicily wrong

What are you talking about? The battle of Kursk began with a German attack on July 5, 1943. The Allied landing in Sicily came on the 6th day of the battle. Nothing was called off. To Hitler and the German command, the Operation Citadel wasn't planned in order to gain any specific territory. The plan was to enter an all-out armored clash and decimate all active Soviet armor in the region, once and for all.

You wouldn't just call off a battle right in the middle because of something that was happening elsewhere. If you're trying to say that the German armor/personnel was pulled out of Kursk in order to reinforce the southern front in Italy, that is just stupid. German forces were already committed in Kursk and any operation to move armor/troops would have taken ages. The only German forces that were able to retreat and pull out were those that could escape during the end of the battle.




Kämpfer

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#155 15 years ago

No, Operation Citadel was called off and its objective was to destroy the Kursk salient in the front. It is a well known fact that Manstein believed the Germans could have reached this objective if the attack was not called off.




Artie

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#156 15 years ago
KämpferNo, Operation Citadel was called off and its objective was to destroy the Kursk salient in the front. It is a well known fact that Manstein believed the Germans could have reached this objective if the attack was not called off.

:rolleyes:

The German 9th army was withdrawn because it had become obvious that it was trapped north of Kursk and that the operation was bound to fail. Anyways, the battle in the central and southern sectors continued and the Germans lost in both areas.




Ardent_Psyclone

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#157 15 years ago
judge reinholdan is2 could have been there too i mean for all we know russia could develop a time machine 10 years from now and the sole purpose was to provide an is2 to their former army in the kursk battle just to be jerks about it

Lol, Don't you think they'd at least send back a T-80 or T-72 for that matter. :)




LIGHTNING [NL]

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#158 15 years ago
judge reinholdan is2 could have been there too i mean for all we know russia could develop a time machine 10 years from now and the sole purpose was to provide an is2 to their former army in the kursk battle just to be jerks about it

But then there would have been an IS2 on kursk and there would not be any reason for the russians to send an IS2 there.




judge reinhold

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#159 15 years ago
'LIGHTNING [NL']But then there would have been an IS2 on kursk and there would not be any reason for the russians to send an IS2 there.

how do you think it got there to begin with? or didnt get there? PARADOX




SacredLizard

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#160 15 years ago
ArtieYou wouldn't just call off a battle right in the middle because of something that was happening elsewhere. If you're trying to say that the German armor/personnel was pulled out of Kursk in order to reinforce the southern front in Italy, that is just stupid.

no *I* wouldn't call off a battle, and it *was* stupid for OKH.