i was looking at manges hanger and i was wondering if these will be in?
Both are in. The 234 is on Alpenfestung, but the 202 is buggy and not in any maps yet.
Komet is in as well, let the allies cap the church on Alpenfestung and it will spawn on the axis airfield.
The Komet and the Jet Bomber are in Alpenfestung. The third plane looks like an Italian one. I doubt it'll be in game for a while...
I am making a first Battle of El Alamein map with teh Macchi 202. It spawns normally with the tail up and when the tail drops the plane takes about 90% damage.
I changed the object spawn positions in Battlecraft 2.1 so that it is lower and the tail is closer to the ground so when the Macchi 202 respawns it spawns without taking damage.
I am not happy with the flight model though.
The P-40 at the heights in FH should out turn the Bf109E-4 and the speed should be about the same. The speed is about right but the BF109 out turns the P-40 and that should not be.
The Macchi 202 should own the P-40's and Hurricanes when it comes in game and it should be able to turn with a P-51 Mustang.
The Macchi 202 should be eaten alive by the P51...any P51, even an A version. It was not a competative plane after 1942.
I believe the Macchi was used once in BFE. It stalled while taking off and couldn't be used.
Macchi some italian plane and those planes isnt new they were ingame for 1 year ago ...
mondogeneratorThe Macchi 202 should be eaten alive by the P51...any P51, even an A version. It was not a competative plane after 1942.
My dad has a book which Im trying to get him to give me on the P-51 Mustang. In the book is a interview with a Allison engined Mustang airframe pilot in the MTO theatre. I dont remember if the incident took place over Tunisia or Sicily but it was one of the two.
In the interview the pilot was talking about how he once got into a dogfight with a Macchi 202. The two met head on and were at roughly same altitude. The pilot mentioned that in their briefings they had been warned to be careful about getting into a turn fight with the Italian fighters as the turned very well and their top speed was not much less than the Mustangs.
After some severe manvering with both attempting to get an advantage the American pilot succeded in breaking off and the Italian did not pursue.
The Macchi 202's top speed I have listed is between 372mph-380mph.
A few different sources I have list the P-51A's top speed as between 385mph-390mph. That is not fast enough for boom and zoom unless the P-51 got the drop on the Macchi 202.
P-51A was armed with 4 x 12.7mm's in the wing. The Macchi 202 had 2 x 12.7mm and 2 x 7.7mm
both were considered excellent dogfighters, especially at low altitude.
If this were concerning a Merlin engined P-51B or P-51D I would give the advantage to the P-51B or D due to its much greater speed difference but that is just not the case regarding the P-51, P-51A, A-36, and F-6A Allison engined Mustang airframes.
My mistake in not stating which Mustang version but your assesment with the Macchi 202 and the other Italian inline engined fighters like the Macchi 205, Fiat g.55, and Regianne 2005 were not competitive I have to disagree with very strongly.
EDIT: Also found this...
" Wing Commander Duncan Smith was on patrol over Sicily when he spotted a formation of Macchi 202s below him. Followed by his wingman, he dove to attack and was just about to open fire when the enemy formation broke into him. A frantic dogfight took place, and Smith soon realised his opposite number was no beginner.
The Macchi pilot soon turned the tables on Smith, who looked for help but could see no sign of his wingman. In a desperate climbing turn he expected the thud of cannon shells at any moment, but instead felt the judder of a stall. Recovering quickly from his spin, he found his opponent slightly to one side and below. Firing a quick burst the Macchi burst into flames, diving into the high ground near Noto and taking the pilot with it. Some time later, after the Italian surrender, Smith learned he had downed one of Italy's leading aces.
The source is Spitfire into Battle, the autobiography of G Capt Duncan Smith DSO DFC. Smith had a high opinion of Italian pilots and aircraft. I have read in many sources that the Italians were technically excellent pilots, masters of their aircraft, but had a tendency to perform aerobatics in combat which were tactically unwise. "
The Brits were flying 2 Spitfire IXc's and jumped a formation of 4 Macchi 202's.