No Kursk in FH 0.7? -1 reply

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Liquid_AJ

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#1 11 years ago

Hi all. Does anyone know why kursk wasnt redone for FH? I noticed that its still the original BF map :confused:

It seems odd that the biggest tank battle in history didnt have a map in FH




General_Henry

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#2 11 years ago

Kursk is a campaign, the tank battle happened in prohkorovka. there is a prohkorovka in FH




Pasquill

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#3 11 years ago

Also Day at the Zitadel




Liquid_AJ

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#4 11 years ago

Ah thanks :)




General_Henry

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#5 11 years ago
Pasquill;3676075Also Day at the Zitadel

that's fan mappack 6...




Mandingo 18''

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#6 11 years ago

Battle of Orel is also a part of the Kursk campaign. So there are two official Kursk maps in FH 0.7.




ww2freak

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#7 11 years ago

Vanilla Kursk = the suckage.




Maxa

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#8 11 years ago

What I just read from Wikipedia (I admit it, I know very little about the whole Eastern Front) is that 4th Battle Of Kharkov was part of the bigger Battle Of Kursk-concept

The Germans saw the Battle of Kursk as Operation Zitadelle only; the Soviets saw Zitadelle as the defensive phase of the battle, followed by Operation Kutuzov and Operation Polkovodets Rumyantsev as an offensive phase.

So Kharkov Outskirts is the 3th official Kursk map?

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craka)(craka

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#9 11 years ago

Oh this is sort of like El Alamein. More maps that together represent a campaign instead of a lame one-map battle like DICE did it.




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#10 11 years ago

I think it's also kind of sad that the FH team included some of the historical inconsistencies perpetuated by the slow fall of communism. For example, there are Panthers on the Prochkorovka map when in reality, the SS panzer battalions equipped with the panthers were training back in Germany. Also, there isn't enough fighting for the north bridgehead over the Psel river to make the map very accurate. Another thing is that...

*Caution*Soviet tank fanboys may not want to read this*Caution*

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The number of SS tanks actually involved in the battle has been variously reported as high as 700 by some authorities, while others have estimated between 300 to 600. Even before the Battle of Kursk began, however, the II SS Panzer Corps never had 500 tanks, much less 700. On July 4, the day before Operation Citadel was launched, Hausser's three divisions possessed a total of 327 tanks between them, plus a number of command tanks. By July 11, the II SS Panzer Corps had a total of 211 operational tanks--Totenkopf had 94 tanks, Leibstandarte had only 56 and Das Reich possessed just 61. Damaged tanks or tanks undergoing repairs are not listed. Only 15 Tiger tanks were still in action at Prochorovka, and there were no SS Panthers available. The battalions that were equipped with Panthers were still training in Germany in July 1943. On July 13, the day after the Battle of Prochorovka, Fourth Panzer Army reports declared that the II SS Panzer Corps had 163 operational tanks, a net loss of only 48 tanks. Actual losses were somewhat heavier, the discrepancy due to the gain of repaired tanks returned to action. Closer study of the losses of each type of tank reveals that the corps lost about 70 tanks on July 12. In contrast, Soviet tank losses, long assumed to be moderate, were actually catastrophic. In 1984, a history of the Fifth Guards Tank Army written by Rotmistrov himself revealed that on July 13 the army lost 400 tanks to repairable damage. He gave no figure for tanks that were destroyed or not available for salvage. Evidence suggests that there were hundreds of additional Soviet tanks lost. Several German accounts mention that Hausser had to use chalk to mark and count the huge jumble of 93 knocked-out Soviet tanks in the Leibstandarte sector alone. Other Soviet sources say the tank strength of the army on July 13 was 150 to 200, a loss of about 650 tanks. Those losses brought a caustic rebuke from Josef Stalin. Subsequently, the depleted Fifth Guards Tank Army did not resume offensive action, and Rotmistrov ordered his remaining tanks to dig in among the infantry positions west of the town.

So there needs to be more KOed T-34s in the map...not more tigers.

Battle of Prokhorovka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The links are from the bottom of wikepedia so research the authors if you're really doubtful of this alternate reality of the battle of Prochkorovka. TheHistoryNet | Historical Conflicts | Battle of Kursk: Germany's Lost Victory in World War II Second World War Books: Review some other links which came up...




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