SPR or not?
it's from Saving private ryan.
Commarn! Announce the release date on my birthday - you know you want to. ;)
Yeah, that pic is definitely from spr. Here's a cool little page with some more pics: http://www.sproe.com/m/marder3.html
7th December 2003
This is cool, thanks a lot kingconan!
No problem mate
First, I would like to say nicely done to the dev team. Next, I would like to clear up any misconceptions about the French in WW2
One: Tanks. The French Army had what were probably the best tanks of the early part of the war. The 47mm AT gun on the Suoma and Char Bis1 could chew up any armor the germans sent their way. Add on the 75mm inf support gun on the Char, and superb armor, you have two early war KTs. IN the first major tank battle in France, the French lost 500 tanks due to 88mm guns, and the germans lost 1500 tanks to the guns of the Suoma and Charbis1.
During its short time the French Arifoce aquitted itself very well. The main French plane, the Morane-Saulnier Ms.406, although knocked out in droves, only lost 46 of themselves in aircombat. The rest were detoryed by flak or on the ground. The D.521 and Curtiss P-36 did even better. All of the planes sho down hunderds of german aircraft.
Three: THe fighting men.
Yes France was overrun quickly, but they were no surrender monkeys. They fought ferociallsy for France. When the Germans finally assualted the Maginot Line, it stood impengnatrible. It guns, which could swivel 360 degrees, were death to the germans. To support these guns, they had numbers of 47mmat guns, mgs, and 75mm cannon. The entrances were pretected by 2 47mm and 3 mgs, along with inf support. If in danger of being overrun, they could retire into the line and blow the exits, seling themselves in. In the end, French ammbasadors had to personally go into the bunkers to prove that France had indeed surrenderd.
As I have shown here, the French fought hard and as long as possible for France. It was only through high command idiocy that the lost. Out of the 3-4 major tank battles in France, the French won all of them
360deg guns? French armour anihilating German armour? The power of a single vehicle isn't the sole determinor of victory my lad. Firstly one tactic of German armour that made them superior with an inferior tank. Concentration of fire, German tank armies would fire on one target until it was destroyed. French tanks had one person who was crew commander (spotted enemy tanks), loader and firer in comparison to the germans who had one man for each job. German optics in tanks even at this early stage was superior, long range shots for the french were out of the question, the flak88 on the other hand would penetrate french armour at well over 2km, which they could hit at roughly 2-3 shots on a non moving target. The allied sights later in the war could only accuratly hit at 800m after that it was luck. Germans had combined arms, artillery, air and ground forces. This is what most think the blitzkrieg is, in fact the blitzkrieg's aim was to break enemy lines and destroy supply and morale to force a quick surrender. What the french did do in response to the blitzkrieg was surrender, hence the reputation.
Some of the suggested causes of the Allied defeat were:
* French overreliance on the Maginot Line, a chain of forts built along most of the French-German border, * Neglect of tank warfare by the French. * General Gamelan's decision to send his forces north to defend against invasion through the Low Countries, * Hitler's decision, against the advice of the German General Staff, to adopt the Manstein plan after an aircraft with carrying a copy of the original invasion plan crashed outside French territory * Quality and guidance of German troops in combat. * more controversially, defeatism (or a lack of willingness to fight) among the French and particularly French leaders.
American journalists, being neutrals at the time, observed much of this on both sides.
As for the French fighting to the end as observed by a neutral party, the american journalists the french gave up.
Strength French 144 divisions 13,974 guns 3,384 tanks 3,099 aircraft
Germans 141 divisions 7,378 guns 2,445 tanks 5,446 aircraft Casualties
French 401,000 killed/wounded 1,900,000 French POWs
Germans 27,000 killed/wounded