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Karnaaj

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#51 14 years ago
mondogeneratorI don't think it would, it might damage it. The speed it went, the size of explosives etc would certainly not penetrate the deck armour of an Illustrious class carrier (remember, the Illustious herself took 8 armour penetrating 500kg/1100lbs bombs to her deck off malta and sailed off under her own power, the Japanese rarely used bombs that heavy AFAIK), it might break the deck of a US carrier but there armoured hangers and superstructure means they would be back on station maybe hours or days later.

Nyet. British carriers =/ US flattops - they had steel decks, hellish hot in the topics and fairly slow everywhere. Us Yankees ran wooden decks, thus faster carriers - but stuff that would literally bounce off a British deck punched into or even through ours. Late-war carriers (fleet carriers?) were of somewhat tougher construction, what with the war experience and all. Heh; one site I just searched (as I can't remember the source of my data - was print, I believel) sez that the US carriers were armoured below the hangers, essentially sitting everything on an armoured box, while for the British the whole carrier *was* the armoured box. Also claims that those metal flight-decks distorted rather easily if there was a fire... I've got a few horrible pictures of flight-deck damage done from bombs - nastiest one penetrated, then set off the hanger full of fueled-and-armed a/c; *peeled* the deck back and left a great gaping hole. (I'd have to check, but that one survived, I think.) Oh well, more useless knowledge shared. IF I ever remember my source for the Brit-vs-US decks, I'll post...




Fake Shemp

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#52 14 years ago

[/QUOTE] Realism is one thing, fun is another, a balance is nice. What a pilot carried depended on where they fought but a pilot over europe would only carry a pistol, if they were flying over the channel then a small dingy also, in the pacific they would carry more but it was limited. WW2 plane cockpits are very small and the pilot needs allot of room to move the stick about, you don't want it cluttered with a sub machine gun. There was also bailing out, a pistol is easy to wear in combat but pulling a submachine gun out of a secure holding while your trying to bail out at 400mph, with a wing missing, at 25,000ft is plain unpractical and didn't happen.[/QUOTE] What about in their backpacks? It's not like they had time to scramble and grab all those rations either, they were all in the same place. And surely and extra clip could've been squeezed in there, enough to make a 'last stand'. Yes, I did just call you Shirley.




Tas

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#53 14 years ago

Backpack huh? I thought that was a shute. I think the rations and so forth were in different places on the flight suit, belt? maybe pockets on his lower leg.. I have no objections against you wanting another clip for your pistol.. But everything else im against. I think you miss the vanilla style parashute-down-with-smg-and-cap-flag action. Wich i hate (heck i hate jeeps too..) Even if he had a backpack, im sure a smg makes for a very comfortable thing to lean on during 6hour long (that long?) flights.




mondogenerator

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#54 14 years ago
KarnaajNyet. British carriers =/ US flattops - they had steel decks, hellish hot in the topics and fairly slow everywhere. Us Yankees ran wooden decks, thus faster carriers - but stuff that would literally bounce off a British deck punched into or even through ours. Late-war carriers (fleet carriers?) were of somewhat tougher construction, what with the war experience and all. Heh; one site I just searched (as I can't remember the source of my data - was print, I believel) sez that the US carriers were armoured below the hangers, essentially sitting everything on an armoured box, while for the British the whole carrier *was* the armoured box. Also claims that those metal flight-decks distorted rather easily if there was a fire....

Some British carriers like Illustrious herself were found to have superstructure damage which meant a total rebuild but given most British CV's fought from the outset, fought in every theatre and took an incredible beating repeatedly its not surpising. Gotta remember these ships were taking a pounding upto 3 years before the first US carrier actions and not one of the Illustrious class were lost, none were scuttled or scrapped during the war. Illustrious was bombed and out of action and refitted before the US even entered the war;).I've not read anything about flight deck distortion, just super structure distortion over a 5-6 year period of intense action. Pretty good considering British carriers were designed for weight saving.

US and British carrier designs remained pretty similar to there respective nations throughout the war, only designs made during the war, for post war use changed. British carriers were designed to work out of Scapa flow and in the med where they couldn't hide like US carriers in the vast expanse of the Pacific so they had to be very tough. US carriers had range but it took 1 kamikaze or bomb to take them out of action for days but there construction made them easy to repair and tough, British carriers would have a shorter life span but they could be back in action within minutes if not hours after a direct hit on them.




mondogenerator

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#55 14 years ago
Fake Shemp What about in their backpacks? It's not like they had time to scramble and grab all those rations either, they were all in the same place. And surely and extra clip could've been squeezed in there, enough to make a 'last stand'. Yes, I did just call you Shirley.

Pilots didn't wear backpacks, they sat on there chutes and there backs were tight in there chairs, strapped in tight to avoid be thrown about in there cockpit during violent manouvers. Anything they took with them when they bailed would be strapped to them, usually underneath them, between there butt and the seat;)

Some planes would have gear stowed in them, like F4U's had small items stored behind the cockpit if they ditched. Remember though, a plane ditching is very very dangerous. When a plane ditches or belly lands, it decelerates from its landing speed (70mph for early war planes, P47's and Tempests landed at 110mph) to a dead stop in around 30+ meters, the pilot has to be strapped in tight to avoid being thrown about and headbutting his gun sight and killing himself, the only preps theymade before landing like that are jettesoning the canopy and cutting the engine and fuel pumps.

A WW2 fighter takes about 2-10 seconds to sink (P51's being the quickest in tests), so the pilot has to unstrap himself and get out before the plane sinks, grabbing what gear he can. Gotta stress though, if a pilot had 3000ft+ they would bail out and not belly land or ditch in the sea, they were more likely to die that way and there plane would probably be written off anyway after a belly landing, of they survived. Read Pierre Clostermans 'Big Show' and he describes a belly landing he saw first hand and it wasn't nice and problems with ditching.




Gauntlet

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#56 14 years ago

Yup, no SMG or Carabin for the pilots. I've read that some planes, as mondogenereator said, had some different equipment stored in their fuselage. The long range Bf 110D (particulary in the desert) had two k98 for their pilots together with lots of survival equipment store in their tail behind their cockpit. But things like this is impossible (I think) to code in the BF-engine.

And I can say with all my heart that I REALY HATE THE BAIL-CAP-FLAG-TACTIC! When I'm a pilot and bails out, I tries too get back to my own base (as you should do in a situation like that). Not only do I save my team from loosing a ticket, but I also doesnt ruine the game by caping the back flag or something like that.

So, in short: KEEP THE PISTOLS! AND NO SMG OR CARABINE FOR THE PILOTS!!

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Fake Shemp

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#57 14 years ago
GauntletYup, no SMG or Carabin for the pilots. I've read that some planes, as mondogenereator said, had some different equipment stored in their fuselage. The long range Bf 110D (particulary in the desert) had two k98 for their pilots together with lots of survival equipment store in their tail behind their cockpit. But things like this is impossible (I think) to code in the BF-engine. And I can say with all my heart that I REALY HATE THE BAIL-CAP-FLAG-TACTIC! When I'm a pilot and bails out, I tries too get back to my own base (as you should do in a situation like that). Not only do I save my team from loosing a ticket, but I also doesnt ruine the game by caping the back flag or something like that. So, in short: KEEP THE PISTOLS! AND NO SMG OR CARABINE FOR THE PILOTS!! :)

In the event where any other tactic would prove futile (ie a total baserape on blackknight's British base, a lone pilot at least 'graying' a flag to draw some heat away is perfectly justified. And if no-one else is really using the planes for any daring maneuvers, i say they're up for grabs! Think of it: 1 flag vs. the momentary stoppage of flag drain. And what about front packs, hmm? Or a Sten strapped around one's shin? An 8-lb weight around your leg, give or take, isn't that bad. But I'm glad to see you think it needs more clips. If the point isn't to fight at all then there's no point to him having a gun at all- the odds of going up against an MG42 with that pea-shooter and living are pretty slim.




Fake Shemp

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#58 14 years ago

Say, getting back to the original topic, can anyone post a pic of this thing? I've never actually seen the fabled TNT plane.




Gauntlet

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#59 14 years ago

Try this link...just google for "Ohka"...

http://images.google.no/images?q=Ohka&hl=no




Ronin Pedroshin

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#60 14 years ago

Do not waste the Ohka on a carrier or destroyer because right now you can't even destroy a defgun or LST with it...