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D-Fens

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#1 14 years ago

Fall Weiss and the Polish army seems a little messed up now... *there's a Polish class with Mors, as have been stated only 36 of prototype 3 were built, wich were being field tested. And this to vanilla-style balance out the german officers Mp40 (wich should naturally be Mp38). Sure, limit the Mg34 use that was lame in 0.61, but you should have changed the Polish Bren class to Bar1918 class and kept it, that would have been most realistic. Poland didn't have the same Bar as the Americans (7,92mm bullets and pistol grip), but close enough until the real thing is modeled. I noticed the Mors seems far superior to the Mp40 too, I'm not sure what that's based on... *Why on earth is there a Sdkfz with an 88 mounted on it? These things were desperate anti-tank vehicles invented by the afrika corps afaik * tank mg's are a little messed up.. the 7TP coaxial was the same gun as in the Twin 7tp, and same as their standard medium mg - the ckm wz 30 (7,92mm , 500rpm). Currently the 7TP's got a mg34 coaxial (with it's 800rpm) and the twin 7TP's got the Wz34 armored cars gun. The Wz34 had the Hotchkiss Wz25 machine gun with 600rpm (seems to be much higher right now) http://derela.republika.pl/weap.htm * Field caps and berets! Yeah not that important (unless you're a realism freak..) but as I've whined about earlier, I've seen no pictures/references at all that the Poles had those Berets 1939, haven't seen any pictures of germans 1939 with field caps either... * Poland didn't have rifle grenades, atleast not that I know of. * German vehicle skins: Well these aren't entirely correct either: German ground vehicles had white or yellow crossses rather than the luftwaffe crosses that were changed to later (due to Polish Wz36 crews zeroing in on them as bullseyes...) examples: Panzer III http://bsdi.usppp.com/wwiiscalemodels/schemes/panzer2_Polen.jpg Panzer II http://bsdi.usppp.com/wwiiscalemodels/schemes/panzer2_67thPanzerPoland.jpg Aircraft: He111 http://www.flugzeugwerk.net/Profile/he111b35_2.gif Bf109E http://www.flugzeugwerk.net/Profile/Profil109polena.gif




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#2 14 years ago

mors.. hmm.. mors afaik WAS superior to mp40 [and mp38] - but making a class that has no limits is a bit.. weird... [pickup kit as in .61 was faaar better] [btw. is there any chance of putting limits on certain classes?]

Bar1918 is a must to have - even dice model would do, Bren is a misunderstanding

sdkfz with '88 is a placefolder until towing system is done [like this one in BG42] - it was clearly stated by the devs earlier

tank-mg's are all messed up.. agreed

as we are at pointing errors - is it me or the pzl-11' are missing some bombs? 6*50kg afaik.. [coludn't have checked it extensively because i experience ctd each time i run fall weis in coop mode.. :/]




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#3 14 years ago

Ok. First I don't know where you could find reports that compare the Mors and Mp38, the only thing I've seen is comparisons between the first Mors prototypes (Mors 1 & 2) and the Belgian Erma smg. I'm afraid I'm no gun expert but if we compare what we know of the Mp38 and Mors it would seem to me they are pretty similar.

MP38 Caliber: 9x19mm Luger/Para Weight: 4,7 kg loaded, 4,03 kg empty Lenght (stock closed/open): 630/833 mm Barrel lenght: mm Rate of fire: 500 rounds per minute Magazine capacity: 32 rounds Effective range: ca. 100 meters

Mors Caliber: 9 mm Parabellum Action type: Blowback Capacity: 25 Length: 979 mm (38.2") Barrel length: 300 mm (11.8") Weight (w/o magazine): 4.25 kg (9.37 lb) Muzzle velocity: 400 m/s (1312 ft/s) Rate of fire: 500-550 rpm (estimate)

sdkfz 88: I haven't heard that they were switching to a BG42 style deployment...

Pzl P.11: Well I've posted earlier that the plane could carry bombs, sources seem to vary on the amount, but it would seem it could carry 4*12.25kg bombs and ca 50kg in total. I'd guess far from everyone did though. I think it could be nice to add bombs to it until we get the real deal, Pzl P.23.




Beast of War

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#4 14 years ago

I guess at that time of war the 88 mm FLAK cannon was used for...........FLAK ?

There are aircraft in that map and it can be handy to have a FLAK cannon deployed where you don't want aircraft around....




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#5 14 years ago

Yes, the 88's shouldn't get AT rounds, if anything the Germans should get their captured Check Pak36's




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#6 14 years ago
Beast of WarI guess at that time of war the 88 mm FLAK cannon was used for...........FLAK ?

Actually it was discovered during that time (i.e. in 1939 during the Poland campaign) the 88 was also an excellent AT gun.




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#7 14 years ago

Actually it was first used in anti tank role in Spain (36-39) afaik, but if it was proper procedure (ie were there any at rounds for it) before Arras I wonder..




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#8 14 years ago

So I take it all of the mobile 88s are now set up on the back of the Sdkfz 7 instead of being towed?




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#9 14 years ago

Yes it would seem that model is replaced by this new one.




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#10 14 years ago

Okey I'll just make a small summarize, I won't go into how the Fall Weiss map itself could be changed since I consider it a placeholder map more or less *Mors SMG should be pick up only, it should be a rare thing like a STG44Zf furthemore, look at the stats I posted and nerf it accordingly. *Machine guns: -7TPjw(37mm gun) coaxial should be Ckm Wz 30 = A browning clone with 7.92mm Bullets. Rof ca 500rpm. No overheating since it's watercooled. -7TPdw(dual mg turrets) machine guns should be Ckm Wz 30. -Wz. 34 (machine gun) should be Hotchkiss Wz.25 with RPM ca 600 and prone to overheating. It's sound should differ from the Wz 30's. The Wz. 25 gun can also be found on Tks and Tk3 tankettes if those are made. -Wz. 34 (37mm gun) I've read this vehicle might be done. This gun is the old french Puteaux gun and not the bofors anti tank gun of the 7TPjw. My guess is that it would be worse against tanks. *Rifle grenades: No rifle grenades for Poland. If you want to remove them for Germany in turn is up to you. *Mp40 in 1939 should be renamed Mp38. *No berets for Poles prior 1940. Suggested headgear is the foursided "Czapka" cap or French Adrian helmet. http://www.warrelics.com/miscellaneous_military_memorabilia.asp?subcat=H *No M43 field caps or M40 tropical caps for Germans in 1939 :) http://web2.airmail.net/recon36/german/heer/heercaps.html If anything they should have M38 field cap, wich looks like a garrison cap. *Polish support class should be equipped with a BAR1918, until the model is modified into a Rkm Wz 28 http://www.piechur.friko.pl/bron/rkmwz28.gif *Polish sidearm would be a Vis Wz.35 Radom pistol, a better placeholder would be a Colt rather than No2 (or TT33 maybe) http://www.marstar.ca/images/radom.gif