PROJECT "ALPENFESTUNG" IN GERMAN TV TODAY -1 reply

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ArminAce

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#1 14 years ago

today at 23:02 (GMT+01) / ARD

a doku about the legendary "Alpenfestung"

http://www.tvmovie.de/tv-programm/sendung.html?SendungID=3865304




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#2 14 years ago

Sehr gut!




obliviousnation

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#3 14 years ago

wasn't this map made up? all i got from that artical since my german isn't very good is about the ss's last stand in the alps....




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#4 14 years ago

yeah, the maps made up... the story is about how the nazis wanted to turn the alps in to a fortress... remember that hitler had an affinnity (did i spell that right?) for turning everything into a fortress aka. festung (although mainly in his head... he would just give the order to do so without any thoughts to the reality of it all)




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#5 14 years ago
Oddball_E8yeah, the maps made up... the story is about how the nazis wanted to turn the alps in to a fortress... remember that hitler had an affinnity (did i spell that right?) for turning everything into a fortress aka. festung (although mainly in his head... he would just give the order to do so without any thoughts to the reality of it all)

Pretty much every large city was turned into a "fortress" in late 1944, 1945.




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#6 14 years ago

could somebody give me the idea of the article? I don't need a direct translation, but I'd like to know what it's about. sorry, I don't speak german :(




MelanchOli

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#7 14 years ago
FunkLordcould somebody give me the idea of the article? I don't need a direct translation, but I'd like to know what it's about. sorry, I don't speak german :(

Hey sure, it's not like we wanna draw unfair advantages out of our language, do we? ;)

Alright, here it goes: Autumn 1944 - the war is lost for Germany. But not yet for the SS, the strongest power within the NS state. They look down on the formerly cheered-upon "Führer" as a loser, even plan an asassination on him, should he cross their plans. By means of a crazy plan, the 'Alpenfestung', the SS' last fortress, Heinrich Himmler and his complices want to save their mere lives. It is here in the Salzburger Land that the fate of the 1000-year-empire shall finally be turned around - if not into a glorious victory, then at least into a lucrative deal with the US forces. The SS' offer is sheer blackmail: either a side-by-side fight against the common enemy - the Bolshevism - or bloody partisan warfare down to the very last man. But the American refuse, risking bloody fight to the end in the Alps.

This is the beginning of a dramatic run that the liberators win by literally the last minute. The SS' ultimate downfall is due to a man of their own: SS-Obergruppenführer Karl Wolff surrenders the southern front and thus opens the southern flank, sealing the 'Alpenfestung's fate. But until the present day, historicians argue if the 'Alpenfestung' really existed, if it was more than a chimera of Himmler, an ingenious propaganda trick that should make the Americans afraid. So, how far had the plans in fact developed? Without any doubt, the rank and file of the SS met in the Ausseerland, among them the Gestapo chief Heinrich Müller, SS-Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann and his adjunct, Alois Brunner. Now, but why exactly there of all places? Dieter Oeckl and Hans-Günter Richardi prove in their exciting documentation that the 'Alpenfestung' was no myth, but dangerous reality. In fact, preparations had gone quite a long way.

The SS entrenched in the badly-accessible Austrian mountains with their last minute's troops: prominent hostages, money counterfeiter commandos, special forces and their 'Wunderwaffen' for which slaves from the KZs were forced to work in sub-terranean war industry factories. Since months, rocket specialists around Wernher von Braun were further developing the V-Waffen. Launching those weapons from mobile pads in the mountains technically was no more a problem.

Apart from that, hopes gather around the jet fighter Me262 to give the air war a last minute turn-around. Jagdverband 44, deployed in Riem (airport of Munich IIRC), consisting solely of Me262, is moved to the Alps on April 28th, 1945.

The SS gathers prisoners from the concentration camps Buchenwald, Dachau und Mauthausen to work for the 'Alpenfestung'. Famous prisoners like former French Prime Minister Leo Blum, former Austrian Federal Chancellor Kurt Schuschnigg, preacher Martin Niemöller and Prinz Friedrich Leopold von Preussen are used as hostages.

Finally, to get hold of valuable foreign currencies, Ernst Kaltenbrunner, Chef des Reichssicherheits-Hauptamtes (RSHA) (Chief of the Reich's security authority; the chief of the 'official' police, so to speak), has a money counterfeiter commando that used to fake english pound notes in KZ Sachsenhausen deployed into the area.

By acribic research, the film-makers discovered new documents and questioned time witnesses in Germany, Austria and the USA. Among the interviewed people are Konrad Dannenberg, a close co-worker of Wernher von Braun, hostage prisoners like Princess Irmingard von Bayern, the money counterfeiter (article stops here).




OttoSkorzeny(Ninja)

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#8 14 years ago

Wow...I'd think that this would make a good map...Call it "Last stand of the SS". It would be mountainous, with the Americans struggling to take several small outposts. Maybe this could be a map that would focus on infantry and artillery, with no vehicles. The SS could get nice weapons, like Panzerfaust 100's, Sg-44ZF's, regular StG-44's and FG-42's. If I had any map making skills, I would try to make it....but it's just an idea. :)




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#9 14 years ago

melanchOli I saw a doco not that long ago about this high mountain area in Austria that had a lake in the middle where people found lots of british pounds etc and counterfieting machines etc is this the same area?




MelanchOli

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#10 14 years ago
GriefmakermelanchOli I saw a doco not that long ago about this high mountain area in Austria that had a lake in the middle where people found lots of british pounds etc and counterfieting machines etc is this the same area?

Maybe. But I didn't watch the docu (saw the note on GF too late); I just translated the text. ;)

BTW: I hope my english hasn't gone down too badly and it was halfway readable?