im not advocating the use of ranks in FH, or fighting against them. im just letting the people who say that ranks in mods are not possible that there is a new free solution that looks very promising and at least should get our support to be developed, even if not used for FH.
Dread thinks I'm a special person
5th February 2004
I really think it is necessary to incorporate the ranking system into this mod. Seems like 99,9 % of the BF2 community is obsessed with ranks. There are ten times more ranked servers than unranked ones, and most people never play on the unranked ones. I have been reading the Planet Battlefield forums and come to the conclusion that most people wont be playing any BF2 mods if they are not ranked. Seems like the only way for a BF2 mod to attract players is to implement a ranking system of their own. Project Reality minimod realized that that it is impossible to attract players without ranks and now they will have their own ranking system. I’m afraid that if all other mods are going to have ranks and FH2 doesn’t, FH2 will die. Personally I don’t care about the ranks, because my regular playtime is only 1-2 hours per day, that means I can never have as many points as those who play for 8 hours per day. But I think that for the community’s sake the ranking system is necessary for FH2.
Interesting. It should at least be given a thought, i think.
i woulnd't go on generalising things so hastely as mandigo here... but one really bad thing i've noticed that ranks and scores bring, is the statswhores. That's the only reason i would object such a thing as ranks, but i don't really care that much about the issue. I hope, there won't be a scoreboard in FH2 during rounds (so you could only see your scores after the round has ended) and that there won't be any ranks or such things that encourage people to statwhore and play the game only for themselves.
I'm hoping this mod to be the best teamplay mod ever. ;)
Mandingo 18''I’m afraid that if all other mods are going to have ranks and FH2 doesn’t, FH2 will die.
Either that, or it'll attract all the players who don't enjoy being around rank-obsessed children. As I've said often enough, it is not, in any way, ever, ever, even in real life, possible, to implement any ranking mechanism that totally recognizes all aspects of team play sufficiently and keeps idiots out of higher ranks. And I don't like the idea of being in a game, trying to get my team to accomplish objective xyz for the win, and being told by some moron "DUDE, STFU, PRIVATE".
As for 99.9%, you may also have noticed that one of the major attractions of FH is that it is NOT BF. Stat whoring abounds on said 99.9% of servers; I have apocalyptic visions of said stat whores being attracted to FH because "d00d I git to be generul & be 1337 KT DR1V3R!!!!".
Please no ranks.
Please no ranks.
AAAMEN! So true... Stupid EA.. all they want is more & more money.. The stupid ranking system turned players into statswhores. NO to ranks.. don't make FH into another BF2 camp clone...
I gotta agree with the "no ranks" comment. The whole point of Battlefield was ruined for me by this all rank nonsense. I wanted to compete against the players with the skills and have some serious fun. But I cant when there are crap loads of lil kids trying to get every damn medal they can, so called "score-whores" just tick me off big time when I am trying to play for the s*its and giggles. No ranks in FH2 and I am a happy man and get the money back from the damn BF2 I bought right on when it was released... Until FH2 is released, BF2 is not worth my money one nickle, and I do hope FH2 will suck me into it and forget the damn regret of buying that game in the first place.
Ranks are evil. People forget team play when they try getting their own scores above the clouds. I dont like this. Please note that I have played BF2 online/offline only for like 10 times since its release and I do not know every last bit of the ranking system in the game, just because I cant be bothered to find out. ;)
Ranks and stats make a game a grind not a very fun one either
caenoi woulnd't go on generalising things so hastely as mandigo here... but one really bad thing i've noticed that ranks and scores bring, is the statswhores. That's the only reason i would object such a thing as ranks, but i don't really care that much about the issue. I hope, there won't be a scoreboard in FH2 during rounds (so you could only see your scores after the round has ended) and that there won't be any ranks or such things that encourage people to statwhore and play the game only for themselves. I'm hoping this mod to be the best teamplay mod ever. ;)
Alternatively: Ranking only on team score Why: Servers will collect stats anyhow. BF2 is geared very much towards this aspect of the game, which was made popular by 3rd party website add-ons for BF1942. I think we will have to live with it: it is impossible to avoid people comparing their stats. It's like a kind of money: You can disable money, but you can never stop the trading, another currency will be adapted straightaway, if there are no coins and $ people will trade in weight of gold, stones, nights in bed, whatever. There will always be trade, it is part of every culture known to man. Similarly, there will always be score and stats in games, if it is disabled from FH2 someone will surely reinvent another kind of scoring system as an add-on. Remember, getting rid of Swastikas is really easy, isn't it ;) Personally, I think it is best to make it so that we players rank in the right points, or, if you wish - deal in the right currencies. Which, IMHO - team score is. Necessary precaution: Stats must reflect how large part of a round the player was on winning and loosing team, not just final results, as that will leads to massive teamswitching towards the end of rounds.
OK, let me bring it to a point. To all the people who want ranks, let me ask you: WHY? What is so important about ranks that you absolutely must f***ing have some multicolored geegaw that shows how '1337 you are?
The people opposing ranks have shown pretty convincingly, in my opinion,
-ranks are pointless -rank-unlocked weapons would kill the game dynamics (note the example of PPSH-toting Soviet hordes vs. 1 German officer with an MP40) -ranks promote stat whoring -it is not possible to have a technical mechanism that rewards good play and is not possible to abuse -ranks attract weenies -it is possible to recognize good players well enough without ranks -nobody will take orders from anyone in the game, since people play it for fun -giving someone with a "high score" authority over how the game play is done (think: commander) means you have idiots who either cheat, stat whore, or who are sufficiently annoying so as to have no life and play FH all friggin day long the means to ruin the game -ranks remove one of the prime attractions of a game like BF/FH, which is that they are not persistent MMORPGs, and every round is a fresh start
So, there, I think are the good reasons, maybe minus one or two that I couldn't think of, why ranks SUCK.
So, why? Why is it so absolutely necessary? *Bangs head on keyboard* Maybe I'm old. Maybe I just don't get it. I dunno, help me here.