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[130.Pz]W.Fuchs

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#21 11 years ago
ctz;4331693Can we expect the return of the saviour, come to heal the world and forgive our mortal sins?

Yes, we can. Jesus is planning to join us when the patch is released.




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#22 11 years ago

You only can blame yourself, LordInvictus : Now people are used to think that any thread you're involved in is made for flooding catharsis :D




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#23 11 years ago

True.




jumjum

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#24 11 years ago
LordInvictus;4331100Thank you :) Can we expect it in Kasserine Pass?

My suggestion for Kasserine is that, in keeping with FH's devotion to historical accuracy in spirit if not every literal detail, is to to just go ahead and equip the US with running shoes and zero kit. ;) I love my peeps, but Kasserine was a truly embarrassing performance by the green US troops.




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#25 11 years ago

All we needed was this, Jum: :p But yes, we got our butts kicked at Kasserine. But hey, what better school than the school of Hard Knocks?

And in case the vid didn't work (these forums are too difficult...): YouTube - PATTON - 1970 clip 2




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#26 11 years ago

There were a number of units that fought bravely and fought hard. The problem was green combat inexperienced troops going up against combat hardened veterans with years of desert warfare experience.

The US were even defeated by the Italian Centauro armored division and combat experienced Bersaglieri.

Ironically it was British troops backed by US and British Artillery that stopped the attacks.

The movie segment where "Patton stopped Rommel" was fictitious crap. The film made it look like the US taught the Germans a lesson and not the other way around.

Only good thing about Kasserine was that teh US reorganized and fixed mistakes and on the next meeting teh US performed very much stronger.




jumjum

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#27 11 years ago

Anlushac11;4335050....The US were even defeated by the Italian Centauro armored division and combat experienced Bersaglieri....[/quote]

Heh - even the Italians. Oh, the shame!

Anlushac11;4335050....The movie segment where "Patton stopped Rommel" was fictitious crap. The film made it look like the US taught the Germans a lesson and not the other way around....

I'm not arguing for the reliability of any historical assertion in Patton, which in spite of my love for it is more a fantasy film than anything else. But I believe the kicking-the-AK's-ass battle was supposed to be El Guettar,- which IIRC, while not the kind of decisive thumping as depicted in the movie, can be considered a US success, albeit inconsequential.

[quote=Anlushac11;4335050]...Only good thing about Kasserine was that teh US reorganized and fixed mistakes and on the next meeting teh US performed very much stronger.

It has long been fashionable in some circles to damn the US efforts in WWII with the faint praise of saying its glory was being the "engine of democracy" in producing so much of the Allies' materiel. But I think you hit on one of America's traits which helped make it successful - the willingness to recognize and admit mistakes, and the ability to rapidly correct and adapt. IMO no other nation in WWII, maybe in the history of warfare, was able to do it like the US.

BTW, based on this momentary detour I began a thread on Off Top regarding the fallout from Kasserine and how it affected allies' and enemies' opinions of US fighting ability.




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#28 11 years ago
jumjum;4335213It has long been fashionable in some circles to damn the US efforts in WWII with the faint praise of saying its glory was being the "engine of democracy" in producing so much of the Allies' materiel. But I think you hit on one of America's traits which helped make it successful - the willingness to recognize and admit mistakes, and the ability to rapidly correct and adapt. IMO no other nation in WWII, maybe in the history of warfare, was able to do it like the US.

I would mostly agree with that. Not to understate the important role you guys did play as the "arsenal of democracy." But the American Joint Chiefs of Staff did have a level of adaptability and professionalism that was surprisingly lacking in other allied and axis powers. However, to go on ANOTHER tangent. This touches on a pet peeve of mine. The American tendancy to disparage France for losing in their first engagement. The Germans kicked everyone's ass first time round. England had the Channel, Russia had the space, but France had no where to go. If you look at the state of training and equipement of the American army in 1940, you guys would have been walking up to the negotiating table, hat in hand within a few weeks if you didn't have an ocean to protect you.




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#29 11 years ago

Can someone please post a pic of the Sand-Stug or does it look like just any other Stug ?




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#30 11 years ago

Looks like any other stug, only in desert colors....