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Flippy Warbear

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#31 11 years ago
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I shall call her... Sandy.




DerangedDingo

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#32 11 years ago

I believe the post above me deserves a 'lawl'.

Regarding the Kasserine Pass thing... I'm surprised at the mature conversation. Don't see that around the Internetz that often. However, I beg to differ with Happy Fun Ball's statement. Sure, the Army would have surrendered, but the American populace of that generation would not have let the German's have an inch of American soil. I may be going out on a limb here, but I believe the contempt shown at France originated from the facts that A) No large militias were ever formed, afaik, or as far as they knew for that matter, and B) No one from that time knew what Blitzkrieg was or what it meant, or even how to pronounce it (hah-hah), and for France to have been under occupation in a matter of weeks was shocking. To them, it meant, "Wow, France must really suck".

Besides, sure, as a piece of land France had no where to go, but French soldiers reunited to fight in other countries anyway, and the Resistance fought in the homeland, so.. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

I'm sure you understand all of this already, I'm just killing time before I have to try to fall asleep and wake up tomorrow morning.




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#33 11 years ago

I know I will be bashed for this, but all I hear is: U S A, U S A, U S A ... ;)

To compare France to the US at the start of WW2 isn't really helpfull. You cannot form large militias when the enemy is already in your town. ;) I can see something like that happening over in the US because it takes ages just to get anywhere with tanks. But over here, if you go full speed with tanks you quickly reach your goal. France is slightly less than twice the size of the state of Colorado. It extends 950km from the German border to the Atlantic. With a tank going 40km/h you can cross that in just a day. (I know that will never happen, but I'm just trying to make a point.) The Battle of France was over in just 1 and a half months. From the 10th of May 1940 – 25th of June 1940 to be exact and that isn't really a long time to react. ^^

Perhaps calling the rage of Jumjum on me now, I would say that there were other nations in history (not counting WW2 here) that were able to rapidly correct and adapt to hopeless situations in a war as well. (the Greeks, Romans... you just name one. Almost all had their fair share of bloody noses from which they recovered very fast an with great skill.

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[130.Pz]W.Fuchs

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#34 11 years ago

I think you are getting this off-topic going thread wrong. I'm not a USA lover at all but FH2 desperatly needs some new armies (Italian and US would make the NA theatre way better) But my first question is answered so let this thread rest in peace.




jumjum

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#35 11 years ago

It's Happy Fun Ball!;4335327...However, to go on ANOTHER tangent. This touches on a pet peeve of mine. The American tendancy to disparage France for losing in their first engagement. The Germans kicked everyone's ass first time round. England had the Channel, Russia had the space, but France had no where to go.....[/quote] Whoa, just so long as we're clear I didn't do that. I haven't even breathed the French. I think you're right about the German initial successes. What makes the US Tunisia embarrassment worse is that it came almost four years after land combat in WWII began. And still the US was caught flatfooted.

N24Reporter;4336024I know I will be bashed for this, but all I hear is: U S A, U S A, U S A ...

Now wait. It'sHappyFunBall! started that as a complaint. Nobody here did anything of the sort. It's like coming into a room of people, one guy saying, "I hate it when you call me an asshole!", and then another guy starting a fight because he thinks somebody called him an asshole.

[quote=N24Reporter;4336024]....Perhaps calling the rage of Jumjum on me now, I would say that there were other nations in history (not counting WW2 here) that were able to rapidly correct and adapt to hopeless situations in a war as well. (the Greeks, Romans... you just name one. Almost all had their fair share of bloody noses from which they recovered very fast an with great skill....

Rage? Ah, come on. Besides, it's not like it's a huge deal. Off the top of my head I couldn't think of any other instance of such quick reaction by a nation. I'm happy to hear I'm wrong. But you can't just throw out "Greeks, Romans" as a response. What about them? Why them? What exactly did they respond to and in what kind of time frame? How? There may be nations who corrected mistakes and successfully adapted strategies and practices as quickly and as well and on as huge a scale as the US in WWII, but I can't think of them.




It's Happy Fun Ball!

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#36 11 years ago
DerangedDingo;4335985 I may be going out on a limb here, but I believe the contempt shown at France originated from the facts that A) No large militias were ever formed, afaik, or as far as they knew for that matter, and B) No one from that time knew what Blitzkrieg was or what it meant, or even how to pronounce it (hah-hah), and for France to have been under occupation in a matter of weeks was shocking. To them, it meant, "Wow, France must really suck".

You are on a very thin limb indeed. In addition to the resistance, there were militia's they were called the Maquis, (yes, that is where Star Trek got the name) they were mostly in the south. However, armed resistance against an organized military occupying force is mostly hopeless, and the french had better option if they wanted to fight. Flee to England and join the free french forces. I can't remember the exact amount but there were a lot of them. However it is entirely correct to say that there was little initial resistance. There were several reasons for that, but I'll just give you the two biggys. First of all the government that had collapsed (the third republic) was not that popular and there was nothing to fill the vacuum. Nobody had any love for Vichy, and initially, they were unwilling to trust an unknown general in England. (French generals had a history of political ambition) So there was nothing really to rally them, nothing to fight for. Secondly, nobody yet realized the nature of the Nazi occupation. This was the third war with Germany in 80 years. Many thought, "Ok, we lost this one, there will be an occupation while we pay reparations, lost territory, then we can rebuild and get ready for the next one." It was only after a year or so that the true nature of the occupying power became clear. As for the American's reactions to occupation. The southern states had been occupied 80 years earlier by, what was to them, a foreign power. That should be some indication of their reaction. It's all 'what if' so nobody really knows, but I think they would have reacted the same as most other occupied nations. And no Jumjum, I know you didn't say this, as I said, I am going on a total tangent here. I'm sorry I don't usually do this. Its my birthday, cut me some slack.




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#37 11 years ago
Flippy Warbear;4335930
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I shall call her... Sandy.

or Sandy (the) Stug :D




FlyGuy45

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#38 11 years ago
I may be going out on a limb here, but I believe the contempt shown at France originated from the facts that A) No large militias were ever formed, afaik, or as far as they knew for that matter, and B) No one from that time knew what Blitzkrieg was or what it meant, or even how to pronounce it (hah-hah), and for France to have been under occupation in a matter of weeks was shocking. To them, it meant, "Wow, France must really suck".

A Polish general did a report on how to stop Blitzkreig in the 30's. He sent it to France and when the Germans got there in 1940 they found it, unopened on some desk. And the French, too late in the war, incorporated hedgehog warfare but this was done to late because the dude who knew it would work was in the Middle East or something. Some German generals were surprised [blitzkreig] it worked too.




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#39 11 years ago
Flippy Warbear;4335930
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are you sure this stug was used in africa ? is has zimmerit on it and afaik this was first developed 1943.




Flippy Warbear

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#40 11 years ago

This particular vehicle was indeed purchased from germany in its original colors (seen in the photograph) with zimmerit on it. This vehicle has a short service history in tunisia, which after it was bought by finnish army and was repainted to finnish camo and it was given the finnish swastikas and other small modifications for the service in 43-44.

After the war, the museum bought the vehicle from the army, studied its background and decided to restore it to its original form, that is the "DAK" Stug.

So yeah, it is indeed this color in original.