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blackhawksniper

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#211 15 years ago

will this on goign fight ever end? lol:bawl: :bawl: :bawl:




Solo4114

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#212 15 years ago

The M10s currently are worthless against infantry, really. At least, so I recall. They've got no MGs on them at all (open-topped M10s had a Browning M-2 .50 cal MG mounted on the top, but I have no idea why anyone would want an open-topped M10). Plus, their shells don't seem to have a wide blast radius (which they shouldn't, considering they're armor piercing shells, not HE).

The sherman, when fully crewed, is actually pretty good against infantry. It's got three MGs (hull, coax, and top-mounted), plus the 75mm gun that can deal with infantry. Only trouble is people take the Sherman and race off to kill the Tiger. And usually end up with a heap of scrap metal to drive, instead of a tank.

Anyway, I'd love to see more use of tank destroyers on maps, rather than just the standard infantry tanks and (on british maps) cruisers.




Ohioan

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#213 15 years ago

In FH, I think cruisers make better TDs then the real TDs. People can drive circles around a Panzer IV in a Crusader or a Daimler (not a tank, granted) and peck it to death with 2pdrs without standing a chance of getting hit, or they can lumber to the front in a huge M36 or Firefly with a large barrel for easy idenfitication, and attract a ton of fire. The Daimler/Crusader can sometimes just speed past that and people wont care because they assume it sucks.

The FH Tank Destroyers are great against tanks and are very realistically modelled right now - except that they still do splash damage vs. infantry. AP rounds to not explode (at least not U.S. AP rounds... PzGr39 is another thing).

Assault Gun/Tank Destroyer type units should still do splash but not M10s or Hellcats or M36s or Fireflies.




Lone_Soldier

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#214 15 years ago
blackhawksniperwill this on goign fight ever end? lol:bawl: :bawl: :bawl:

( in a evil voice) NEVER!:naughty: NEVER!:naughty: MOHAHAHA:evilgrin: :lol: :lol: :evilgrin: LOL




majic

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#215 15 years ago

On the subject of the CrusaderIII - it's seriously bugged/misconfigured.

The gun on the CrusaderIII is FAR, FAR more powerfull than it should be. Does some insane damage over huge ranges - it actually beats fresh STug3g's frontal armor while a Sherman or M10 or M39 cant...

It just uses the 6 pdr gun also present in the Churchill and Crusader I-III ...... but somehow in the CrusaderIII it seems wayyyy overpowered.




Ohioan

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#216 15 years ago

I think it just seems that way because of what its shooting at. The Crusader is early war and the Axis had shit, crap, and ass for tanks.

The new Crusader model has a 2pdr. That should even things up a bit.

Keep in mind the 6pdr 57mm WAS a very powerful and effective round well into mid-late war. Very high velocity.




Lone_Soldier

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#217 15 years ago

yep. + most level were the crusader III is on has weak german tanks




Mazz

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#218 15 years ago

Ohioan that was a Crusader MkI in the update. IIRC it was Hartmann who said the MkIII (6Pdr) just needed to be skinned and it would be released also.




emonkies

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#219 15 years ago

majicOn the subject of the CrusaderIII - it's seriously bugged/misconfigured.

The gun on the CrusaderIII is FAR, FAR more powerfull than it should be. Does some insane damage over huge ranges - it actually beats fresh STug3g's frontal armor while a Sherman or M10 or M39 cant...

It just uses the 6 pdr gun also present in the Churchill and Crusader I-III ...... but somehow in the CrusaderIII it seems wayyyy overpowered.

Actually the Sherman 75 cant penetrate teh StuG III front armor but the 76mm Sherman or M10 should be able to. M36 should be able to kill a StuG III at will.

The APCBC can penetrate 74mm of armor angled 30deg from vertical at 1000m. That is against angled armor. Front of StuG III superstructure is vertical so any hit at 1000m stands a good chance of killing it.

Most BF maps IIRC are about 1200m so by the time you add out of bounds edges your in real life range of most good A/T guns in the map.

IIRC Hartmann said FH damages and penetration are set to uses values for 500m otherwise you could base camp the enemy base while still sitting in your base.

The HVAP ammo penetrates 130mm of armor set at 30deg from vertical at 500m.

The 6lbr actually penetrates more armor than the US 75mm M3 gun used on the Sherman. Sad but true.




Neighbor Kid

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#220 15 years ago

just becasue of the barrel right? on the 6lbr?Its not the caliber/barrel deign right, that gives it more velocity towards its target?