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#51 15 years ago

well i admit I have a fondness for odd designs inlcuding many nazi vehicle, but I dont confuse that with them being pretty. A jumble of slab sides and sharp edges may look 'cool' but it ain't pretty. Also, there's big difference between 'all' and 'some'. I would take a panther over many tank, and its one of the better ones, but given that design orders were to copy key t-34 features its not suprising. In fact a direct copy of t-34 was considered, but when the requirements were set in '42 it was decided just utilize the same features.




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#52 15 years ago

Offcourse, we're talking about desigsn that look good for that particular era. You shouldn't compare it with modern designs. Offcourse it's all square and straight, that was 60 years ago. Which makes me wonder, what types of tanks would be your favorite of that time?




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#53 15 years ago

Favorite tank of all time - Panther

The Brit tank Matilda II is a work of art (first tank model I ever built was a Fujimi 1/76th scale Matlida II).




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#54 15 years ago

If were talking about pretty thats one thing, if were taling about favorte thats another. What I like because it looks cool or how it perfomed is different from what would in gneral be considered beutiful.




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#55 15 years ago

I'm not sure if you were on the same line here.. uhm, we were talking about looks. I guess you needed to stall time a bit to think of an answer that wouldn't embaress yourself.




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#56 15 years ago
terminal-strikeIf were talking about pretty thats one thing, if were taling about favorte thats another. What I like because it looks cool or how it perfomed is different from what would in gneral be considered beutiful.

You cant tell me what is beautiful any more tthan I can tell you. Each persons opinion of beauty are entirely defined by our own culture and sense of aesthetics. As the saying says "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

Features and things about a tank I admire you may not even notice and the reverse is also true.




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#57 15 years ago

British tank = box with a smaller box on top.




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#58 15 years ago
KingrudolfI'm not sure if you were on the same line here.. uhm, we were talking about looks. I guess you needed to stall time a bit to think of an answer that wouldn't embaress yourself.

Uhmm, you were talking about beutifull. On that line german tanks, which the design goal seemed to be incorporateing as many angles and edges in a given space, often fail in that category. I already answered you question before youeven asked "I would take a panther over many tank, and its one of the better ones" . I don't think its the prettiest but I like it more then t34/85, which if we were talking pure fighitng abilty would be my choice depending on which version of the panther were talking about. For early war period I would take t-34 hands down, though I take a tiger if I had to defend ground rather then take it. Thats of course if were talking about a tank in the sense of a mbt. My favorite fighting vehicle in the overall sense of combat afv's would be the hellcat.




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#59 15 years ago
terminal-strikeUhmm, you were talking about beutifull. On that line german tanks, which the design goal seemed to be incorporateing as many angles and edges in a given space, often fail in that category. I already answered you question before you asked "I would take a panther over many tank, and its one of the better ones" .

But I also like Matilda II's which have sloped and shaped armor which was difficult to cast and help lead toward its downfall.

Angular lines and flat surfaces dont necessarily mean its ugly, as before beauty ids in teh eye of the beholder. I know several people who love PzIV's and I know others who think the Chrchill and Cromwell are works of art as well.

My second favorite British tank is a Churchill. Its design says alot about the use it was desinged for, long length to cross trenches in no mans land. Did you know the Churchill was at one point judged a failure and was to be discontinued?

A little thing called Tunisia happened. Its good power to weight ratio, slow gearing, and long length contributed to low ground pressure and that enabled it to climb hills most other tanks only dreamed of. In Tunisia and Italy the Churchill's claim to fame was to climb hills that US and German tanks could not climb and giving infantry support where they most needed it.

For that same reason the Churchill was also used in the Korean War in theat very hilly terrain.

If you were infantry trying to assault a Gerrman or North Korean position on top of a hill and were pinned down could think of a more bneautiful sight that a Churchill come waddling its butt up the hill to bail you out?




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#60 15 years ago
McGibsBritish tank = box with a smaller box on top.

Nah, that's a Ram.

I think we can all agree that the M3 Grant is by far the ugliest tank ever made.

French tanks are probably the best looking. I love the WWI-esque treads that go right up to the turret and cover the whole side of the vehicle.