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mydjinny

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#1 13 years ago

What is the damage to tanks really like if one was really hit with say...A panzerfaust or zook? cuz I don't about you but I loved XWW2's tank damage syastem - If I dare say, over FH's...slighly. Tanks were REALLY tough to destroy and even when doen with, they most likely stopped moving, burned on their behinds for a while before blowing up. I wonder how likely it is for the inhabtants to die before the tank 'does'... Maybe you hit a tank with an antitank rifle or zook, the passengers are die or a few do, the tank stops and is on fire and voila! you have realism.... But I don't know, I'm only examinng physics here.... We could implement something like that though...And some improved blowing up...Sparks and stuff




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#2 13 years ago
mydjinny;3597833What is the damage to tanks really like if one was really hit with say...A panzerfaust or zook?

In most cases you wouldnt really see much, though. A small hole is the general thing you will see when a Panzerfaust or a Bazooka would penetrate a tank. The problem with most AT weapons was that while AT weapons such as the Panzerfaust could knock out a tank and incapacitate the crew, the tank itself often could be quickly repaired and be put back into service. If the tank did not burn out from being set afire from the AT weapon hit then all that remained was the little hole it had made. Wich is one of the reasons why the Germans tried to develop a new type of Panzerfaust that had a added incendiary round. The Germany where developing many kinds of variants of the Panzerfausts.

Including but not limited to Shrapnelfaust, Flammfaust, Brandtfaust, Gasfaust, Kleinrakete zur Infanteriebekämpfung ("small rocket for fighting against infantry"), apparantly about 100 of anti infantry fausts where sent to the frontlines where they proved to be highly succesfull but production was never started because rifle grenades fulfilled the same role.

I wonder how likely it is for the inhabtants to die before the tank 'does'... Maybe you hit a tank with an antitank rifle or zook, the passengers are die or a few do, the tank stops and is on fire and voila! you have realism....

Tanks generally didnt blow up or burn out at all. Also keep in mind though that a AT rifle isnt going to have the same effect as a Panzerfaust. For that matter AT rifles werent designed to take out tanks. They where meant to give the infantry company some kind of armor piercing capability beside the Armor Piercing rounds of Machineguns.




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#3 13 years ago

What I get sick of seeing is every time a tank and its crew are killed it turns into a charred wreck! Armour piercing shells just leave holes in the structure and obliterate everything inside the tank, not flames or bogey wheels and tracks blown off.

But I guess we've got the BF2 engine to thank for that!!




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#4 13 years ago
No.8 wire man;3598002What I get sick of seeing is every time a tank and its crew are killed it turns into a charred wreck! Armour piercing shells just leave holes in the structure and obliterate everything inside the tank, not flames or bogey wheels and tracks blown off. But I guess we've got the BF2 engine to thank for that!!

Well, not really. In most cases most of the crewmembers managed to escape. Although the exception to this seems to be the radiomen wich had the biggest of being killed after the impact of a shell. Ofcourse, just that you managed to get out of the tank didnt mean that you where safe in alot of cases you simply got gunned down by the enemy.




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#5 13 years ago

Most tank that are knocked out are due to crew deaths/injurys or bailing out and running. The tank are easy to repair and with a quick mop are put back into service. Its the ammo explosions and aircraft attacks that usually make the tank total scrap.

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Was a T34/85




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#6 13 years ago
Pasquill;3598064Most tank that are knocked out are due to crew deaths/injurys or bailing out and running. The tank are easy to repair and with a quick mop are put back into service. Its the ammo explosions and aircraft attacks that usually make the tank total scrap. Was a T34/85

Well, i basicly said the same. Although the aircraft attacks is not really correct though.




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#7 13 years ago

Sorry, did not see ya post bud




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#8 13 years ago
Pasquill;3598073Sorry, did not see ya post bud

No problem at all. By the way nice picture. :D




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#9 13 years ago

Another thing that I think should be implemented in some way is spalling. In layman's terms it's the the shockwave of the shell reverberating through the metal and knocking any loose pieces on the inside of the tank. Of course, type of tank/type of steel used would affect the amount of spalling and hence damage to the crew. For example, the tiger 1 had a great alloy which was quite maleabe and absorbed the shockwaves whereas the tiger 2 was made of brittle armor(same with shermans and most other tanks) which basically carried the shockwave instead of absorbing. It's kind of like comparing older cars and newer cars in crash tests. For the sake of argument, it should be considered a top priority considering the percent of shots which deflect compared to those which penetrate so to let people off for all those close calls and near deaths is kinda unrealistic.

Pasquill;3598064Most tank that are knocked out are due to crew deaths/injurys or bailing out and running. The tank are easy to repair and with a quick mop are put back into service. Its the ammo explosions and aircraft attacks that usually make the tank total scrap.

Reminds me of hearing people scrapping the guts of old crews out of shermans in order to put them back to service. bleurrk!




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#10 13 years ago

Yeah I saw a documentary about the sherman how they would send them against German position, crew would die, sherman gets towed back "hose out all the guts and blood" (the veteran exact wording) and refill um with crew to do the cycle again.

The prospect of spalling, small, super heated metal shards rebounding multiple time around the tank and passing through the crew like.... well it does not bare thinking about.