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Fuzzy Bunny

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#41 14 years ago
Comrade PedrovskaIf I'm not mistaken the 88s were also used as artillery right?

Not as indirect-fire arty, to my knowledge. Note that howitzers were on occasion used for direct fire support or even anti-tank, but the 88's super-high muzzle velocity would make it impractical to shoot arcing shots unless you had appropriate ammo (which I imagine would foul the barrel of a high-velocity weapon, but don't take my word for it.)




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#42 14 years ago
Comrade PedrovskaIf I'm not mistaken the 88s were also used as artillery right? Now I know adding an accentuated arc to the shells (mortar-like) would make it impossible to be used as AT or AA but if there was an option to change that like pressing up/down arrow keys or right button I think it would be a nice addition to it since it was such a versatile weapon that worked as AA, AT and even artillery.

Yes, they were to some extent.

Because of the extremely high velocity of the 88mm shell, regardless of its type or purpose, it had a flat trajectory. I would imagine that they would have to be used as line of sight weapons. However, several times in Band of Brothers (the book, damn it!) Ambrose mentioned that 88s were particularly deadly artillery pieces because the shell, being supersonic, could not be heard when it fell to the ground. But I would rely on Anlushac11 for more info on that.

Speaking of which, where is he?




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#43 13 years ago

wow in that picture where flak is coating the entire sky, the altitude at which the bombers are seems to be relitivly untouched... How come they had so much difficulty with shooting ddown bombers...i mean how hard could it be? a lumbering megaweeight full of bombs and fuel flying sloowly across the sky.




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#44 13 years ago

jep, i think mostly it was used for direct fire, but there are also some authentic film shootings were you could see that they fired the 88 in 30 or 40 degrees angle (i think that was a report of fall/winter 41 showing the 88 while firing into the suburbs of moscow) - with a fring range of ~15000 meters (FlaK 18/36/37) / ~20000m (FlaK 41) and an artillery observer it should have made an excellent arty for long range fire if used indirect.

maybe we could also see some other AA, eg. for the british the 3,7 inch anti aircraft gun - as i know it was also sometimes used vs german tanks or the us 90mm (i think later it was used as an example for the 90mm gun of the pershing). unfortunately other british AA guns had a relatively low muzzle speed (like the 76,2 cm) - so they weren't really capable as tank killer guns.




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#45 13 years ago
GreatGrizzlydo they have an AA gun that acts more like a shotgun? Like after the shell leaves the barrel, it explodes shooting shrapnal towards the target?[/quote] Sounds like the sanshiki shell for the 18in main guns of the Yamato Battleship.
Besides the usual explosive and armor-piercing shells, Yamato was equipped with a unique anti-aircraft shell for use with the 18.1 inch main guns. The sanshiki shells weighed just under 3,000 pounds, and were filled with incendiary tubes. These anti-aircraft shells were fired toward incoming aircrafts a la flak, and a timed fuse triggered an explosion in the path of the hostile aircrafts, filling the air space with burning steel shrapnel.
and...[quote=Comrade Pedrovska]If I'm not mistaken the 88s were also used as artillery right?

I vividly recall Spike Milligan making the comment in his war diaries that a "stonk" of 88mm shells was much feared due to it's accuracy and silent approach.




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#46 13 years ago

wasnt there some like 150mm AA guns that are called RAK or something. i think i saw it in blitzkrieg 2 demo.(american map)




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#47 13 years ago

hmm. i don't know - maybe ship AA (10,5cm Flak was at first also developed as ship AA) or some experimental anti aircraft - maybe with rockets -> RAK ??




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#48 13 years ago
Nishatwow in that picture where flak is coating the entire sky, the altitude at which the bombers are seems to be relitivly untouched... How come they had so much difficulty with shooting ddown bombers...i mean how hard could it be? a lumbering megaweeight full of bombs and fuel flying sloowly across the sky.

The thing you have to realize, is all the variables that effect your aim. Wind speed (and at those altitudes it's quite fast), changes in air pressure and resistance, target velocity, altitude, and many others. That's why the flak shell was designed to fragment and send shrapnel on/into the aircraft.

Oh and also, you have to realize the crazy amounts of punishment the B-17 could take as well: It was called the "Flying Fortress" for a reason.

Also, does anyone know if the Germans ever developed a proximity fuse like the ones the allies developed? I don't know if I ever remeber hearing of one, but just wanted to be sure.




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#49 13 years ago

i only use AA to kill infantry and fighters, i use AT to kill any plane in one hit. you just have to be damn good at aiming them. fighters are near impossible unless they try to strafe you, stukas/sturmloviks and slower are no problem. btw if you see a sturmlovik strafing your tank, just calm down, and aim at it. its the easiest thing in the game to shoot down with a tank shell. MG's also do more damage to planes than ever before, so fire at them! these planes are not as invulnerable as they seem. use your f2,f5 key when you see them please. ill do my best to blast um with my panther/88/churchill (=




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#50 13 years ago
Nishatwow in that picture where flak is coating the entire sky, the altitude at which the bombers are seems to be relitivly untouched... How come they had so much difficulty with shooting ddown bombers...i mean how hard could it be? a lumbering megaweeight full of bombs and fuel flying sloowly across the sky.

well, for example if they started their approach at approx. 5 or 6 km height it took the 88mm shell about 6-7 seconds to reach that height - long enough for the B17 to move half a kilometer - not that easy to hit if you want to go your shell lets say not further than 20meters away from the aircraft - additionally you had to set your time fuse really exactely (in fact you set your fuse (with the Zünderstellmechnismus) to the estimated height)