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Beast of War

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#1 14 years ago

To my astonishment i read a lot of forum visitors seem to be mistaken the Sturmtiger for a experimental unit that belongs in SWoWWII.

But a fact is, these brutal self propelled rocket mortars did see active combat, and killed enough allied soldiers to have a much feared reputation among them.

Sturmtigers saw action in the uprising of Warshaw in 1944, the battle of the Bulge, and were fighting a retreating battle as the allies fought their way through germany.

Although there were not many of them, 18 in total, they were there in the Battle of the Bulge and retreating through Germany. Realize that their 380 mm rocket mortar was so powerfull, only 1 of these could delay or even stop an allied offensive, if positioned behind a choke point. Since the germans were fighting a retreating battle, that is exactly how they were used.......and these Sturmtigers didn't even operate alone, but with in a company of several Sturmtigers.

There were so few Sturmtigers, not because they were an unsuccesfull design as i saw some claim false, but because production of regular Tiger tanks fell behind in 1944, wich had ofcourse priority. Sturmtigers were made out of battledamaged Tiger tanks returning from the front.

The reason why almost all Sturmtigers were found abandoned was the fact their highly specilized ammo in 1945 when the allies were already in Germany and approaching Berlin could not be produced/delivered in the field on the spot in sufficent numbers. Note that these same Sturmtigers earlier in the war did not have that problem, it is only how they eventually ended up.

"In all, only eighteen Sturmtigers were ever to be produced in the time period of August thru December of 1944. For so few machines produced, the Allies feared this vehicle and with good reason. The Sturmtigers were issued to only three companies, the 1000, 1001, and the 1002 Sturmmorser Companies. The roster for the 1000th. and the 1001st. showed a strength of four Sturmtigers, to be used in the Ardennes offensive, on November of 1944." "Under the command of Hauptmann von Gottberg, Company 1001 rolled into action in western Eifel, near Gemund in November, then shifting in January of 1945 to the battle front around Duren and Euskirchen. It was here that the Allies were given a taste of the destructive power of the Sturmtiger when Gottberg's unit engaged Allied M4 "Shermans" in a village, the Sturmtigers thoroughly hammering the occupying Allies. Later, three Sturmtigers were ferried across the Rhine at Bonn, engaging in combat not long after to the east of Bonn." "Company 1002, commanded by Oberleutnant Zippel, had the most Sturmtigers on strength, with a total of six on his combat roster. His unit was also the last to be formed, being blooded in battle in the Reichswald combat region. Come March, Zippel's unit was moved back across the Rhine River, taking up position in the area around Rheinberg. There, the 1002nd. saw action near Dorsten and Kirchhellen. Not long after, the 1002nd. found itself involved in a series of eastward retreats, moving thru Polsum, Marl, and Datteln."

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For the ones that like to cry no vehicles should be in FH that were made in so small numbers : it is not the amount of number that count, but the fact they were there in battles IRL, battles that we play in maps in FH but the correct vehicles are missing.......and made a feared reputation as fighting vehicles for themselves, and the Sturmtiger really did that.

Vehicles that should not be in FH if number produced really mattered :

Battleships ( IRL often no more then 3 produced of same type ) Carriers ( IRL often no more then 3 produced of same type ) Alpenfestung units ( highly experimental, some really belong in SWoWWII )

Don't get me wrong, i am happy these are all in FH. And i do hope the Sturmtiger will make it too someday......because it was real, and it was there in many battles from Battle of the Bulge untill the fall of Berlin.




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#2 14 years ago

LOL, you just want a big gun to kill the bunny hoppers ;)

I wouldn't mind seeing it in but its hardly high priority.




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#3 14 years ago

Anyways, would be cool to see it in...




lumpeh

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#4 14 years ago

Surely you would need destructable terrain to make the most of these though?




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#5 14 years ago

Don't think so...they could be used as the arty ATM, just with a bigger and deadlier radius...




Big Lebowski

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#6 14 years ago

well it would work just like the Brumbar... just with a bigger gun




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#7 14 years ago

Overkill.




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#8 14 years ago

I love the Sturmtiger. Yes I do. To hell with crappy & lame-looking Tigers, Sturmtiger kicks some serious ass :stallard:

I really need to buy a miniature of one ASAP, though now that my computer broke, that will be delayed for quite a bit, with me having no real income and all that :(

Anyway, would love to have the Sturmtiger in FH at some point. That'd simply rock. Whenever I could, I always got into a Sturmtiger in SWoWW2. That was definitely the best part of that expansion, mostly it was a waste of money otherwise. Luckily it was my brother, not me, who paid for it :D




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#9 14 years ago
Ply3r_17Overkill.

To bunnyhoppers.......maybe....

But it is time some serious anti infantry weapon was introduced, since all other artillery or anti infantry tanks seem to do only minor blast damage to infantry targets.

Most aircraft bombs contain more explosives then the Sturmtiger round, the 380 mm HE variant had 100 kg of explosives in it. The other variant was the hollow charge round for slamming through 2,5 meters of concrete.

I often wonder if infantry in FH represents human infantry at all, when it comes to blast effect HE munitions fired/dropped by vehicles.

But maybe if you know the Sturmtiger carried only 14 rounds, and it took 10 minutes to load another round you feel diffrent about "overkill"

It had a bow mg and tremendous thick armour, but 10 minutes is a long time when tanks are outflanking you. It wasn't an offensive weapon, unless used in are's where tanks did not go.....such as cities.

In FH a reloading time of 10 minutes is probably overdone.....but given a long reload time, it should have plenty of blast area and damage to make up for it. And it should damn well blow up a whole outpost and anyone near it........no 5 square meter blast radius bullshit.




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#10 14 years ago

Perhaps. I would only describe the SturmTiger as 'overkill' because at this moment in time, allied tanks seem to have enough trouble facing off 88mm as it is, never mind 380mm. When you've seen the destructive power of a king Tiger on BotB, it makes you wonder.

However, I did not say I wasnt for the introduction of the SturmTiger in FH, if you can produce a plan and a map that would make good, balenced use of it then by all means I'd love to see it ingame ;)

I must agree that the tanks weaknesses would be a. low amunition b. long reload time and finally c. perhaps a longer time for the tank itself to turn.

All said and done, I'm quite fond of this tank. Even if I would describe it as 'overkill'.