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Beast of War

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#51 15 years ago

The PPSH only owns if bunnyhoppers are spraying each other in the open with MP40 and PPSH.

If you know that, you will have to change how you fight enemies with PPSH......as many accurate and high ROF bullets as PPSH spits out, even PPSH cannot shoot through solid cover.....so i suggest you fight more like real infantry did : running from cover to cover and fighting from behind cover with minimal exposure. Maybe a MP40 isnt as powerfull or high ROF, but a bullet from it in the head is just as deadly.....and a few elswhere in the body also. Just make sure you are hitting the enemy but the enemy can't hit you ( as often) That means no dancing in the open spraying each other, because you will lose that from PPSH users........the only real complainers are skilless bunnyhoppers if you ask me.

That be fully realistic, if for the fact real soldiers did not fight each other hopping around, they were affraid to die or worse, to be severely wounded or maimed and had to live on in pain or poverty as a begging cripple. ( clearly in those days there wasn't social security and no employer would ever hire you if you were handicapped or maimed as a common soldier=in civilian life properly a low educated labourer )

From what i have seen and read, the current PPSH is a pretty good representation of wat it was in real life. I hope the devs won't change it, or at least not too much. For perfect game balance people should play bf1942, where the M10 is a heavy tank comparible with a Tiger.




Formerly Human

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#52 15 years ago

Yeah, the problem is that life doesn't have a respawn button. So people playing games don't really care if they die, as long as they take 5 noobs with them. The real players use cover to get their kills. I can think of only one game where I was infantry and had a perfect round when I wasn't a sniper. I think it was Orel...




raslin

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#53 15 years ago

Indeed. If the enemy is bunny-hopping, and you are crouched behind something, you will win with the MP-40. I tried bunny-hopping after reading this thread. I ended up dying to a crouched german with an MP-40, inbetween some barrels. When you bunnyhop, your cross-hairs get huge. Unless you get a headshot, it will take three hits with the gun to kill, and if you are jumping and running, the mp-40 guy will get in four hits before you even get out 10 misses.




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#54 15 years ago

But if the PPSh bunnyhopper catches you without cover (it can't always be avoided), you're most likely screwed. Usually I just crouch and try to hit the bugger, but with any lag, even only 80, the enemy tends to get enough hits to kill me before I hit him. All the more so if I have something like a rifle, then I could just as well stand still and let him shoot me. Same with any rifle against any SMG. Of course the SMG should have some sort of an advante, being a CQC weapon, but when the hits from my rifle are prevented by nothing else than lag, then it begins to suck :uhm:




raslin

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#55 15 years ago

Don't blame that on the devs, lol.

The PPSh-41 should be the best close quarters weapon, and best SMG at range. Just try to outrange it with a rifle, or wait it out with an SMG. Its not like its that hard to kill someone using a PPSh-41. I do it all the time.




Beast of War

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#56 15 years ago

raslinDon't blame that on the devs, lol.

The PPSh-41 should be the best close quarters weapon, and best SMG at range. Just try to outrange it with a rifle, or wait it out with an SMG. Its not like its that hard to kill someone using a PPSh-41. I do it all the time.

And when you killed that enemy with his "uber" PPSH, the PPSH kit just lays there where he fell, waiting to be picked up and used by you as German.......

No need to place PPSH kits in german bases or flagpoints to represent German soldiers heavily using PPSH. Just take PPSH kits from the Russian soldiers that were killed, like the real Germans did too. In infantry maps there are fallen soldier kits all over the place.......




tvih

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#57 15 years ago
raslinIts not like its that hard to kill someone using a PPSh-41. I do it all the time.

Of course it's not, never said that. It's like it should. Like you've seen many say it's too easy. But with the lag the single-fire weapons has more of a disadvantage than they should.

Oh well, I mostly avoid infantry combat anyway, because I'm not so good at it. After all, I'm a tanker, first and foremost :cool:

By the way, visited the Finnish Infantry Museum today (part of the last service week's program at the barracks) - quite cool, been at least 6-7 years since I last visited it. Man, I sure wish I had one of those many Suomi SMGs they had, and maybe one of those cool-looking Panzerfausts too ;) The bigger Panzerfaust looks cool, even though it is simple. Panzerschreck and the small 'faust just look lame :)

As for the other guns there... jesus how big some of those machine guns and such are (Maxim, for example). No way you'd fire one of those machine guns from anything other than prone position with any kind of sensible effiency, or at all :eek:




raslin

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#58 15 years ago

I think you misunderstood what I said. I meant its not hard to kill someone who is using a PPSh-41, using an MP-40 or Kar98 yourself.




torni

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#59 15 years ago
Beast of WarAnd when you killed that enemy with his "uber" PPSH, the PPSH kit just lays there where he fell, waiting to be picked up and used by you as German.......

I have actually seen axis players tk each other to get the ppsh-kit first. (on Pavlov) :-O

And sometimes on Stalingrad there was a gentlemen's agreement not to use ppsh as the russians.

These things give a hint that there is indeed a slight problem with balance on infantry maps..




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#60 15 years ago

No, it just means most people are the type who play to frag. They obviously can't shoot with a rifle because of the reason that they are only using fully automatic weapons for faster kills. Hate to break it to you, but I feel sorry for those wielding a PPSH, they aren't that good, especially in real life. Should be those people complaining, if anyone.

If it bothers you that much, go create a mod that spreads peace and happiness. No "unfair" things in the game then.