Bourkey;3286959Uhh sorry. I didn't see the jump from Nth Africa to an Italy campaign. I thought you were wanting Polish, Americans and Free French for Nth African maps. Most people forget about the Vichy French in Syria where I would argue they put up more of a fight there in 1940 than in 1942 in the torch operations. But you are all absolutely correct in your said points in Southern Italy. Just a mixup :uhm:
Ah agreed. In Syria the Vichyites put up a good fight against the British, French (Free France), and I believe Australians. Pity only 1/4 of those troops joined the Free French and the rest went back to France. However, considering the limited amount of space that can be used for maps with the French, as I outlined in an old topic of mine about what the "ideal FH2" would be like for me, I would not include Syria as a battle major enough to earn a map. Assuming there are about 60 maps, I narrowed it down to what I viewed as the most important (and the most easily transformed into a map) five battles involving French troops in World War Two. 1. Blitz - Invasion of France 1940. 2. Blitz - Norway 1940 - This would be an ideal map to depict both French and British forces in my opinion, you know, the classic Counterattack feel. 3. North Africa - The Battle of Bir Hakeim 1942 - Absolutely amazing battle and very important as well. The French (much of whom was the Foreign Legion) defend the town of Bir Hakeim when outnumbered four to one by Rommel's Afrika Corps. The French troops finally pull out after 16 days of hard defending when ordered to by the British, who by then had had enough time to regroup at El Alamein. This is the battle that, according to de Gaulle, made the world "remember France". Plus, this would be an ideal map for the Axis to have a combined German-Italian cooperation map (like the Allies on the proposed Norway map) since it was both that fought against the French. 4. Italy - Garigliano/Monte Cassino - Already explained this one. 5. Southern France - Liberation of Toulon - Some of the hardest fighting during Operation Dragoon, this would allow the depiction of at least a map from the southern France campaign as well as the usage of French 1940 equipment (some still used by the French already, they also found some on their way to Toulon and the Germans also used French 1940 stuff that they got from the occupation). Toulon and Marseille would provide 1/3 of the supplies used by the troops on the Normandy front until the liberation of Antwerp. As for the US in North Africa, I can't really see them scoring more than one level unless there will be a whole lot of N. Africa levels. North Africa is mostly Commonwealth terrain. I say one map for the French (Bir Hakeim) and one map for the Americans (Kasserine?) but the rest for the Commonwealth.
Only US maps IMHO should be Operation Torch and Kasserine Pass.
I would like to see Free French fighting in Tunisia and using Somua S35's.
I'm actually getting really excited about having multiple armies in one map. I know this obvisouly is a long way into the future, but the idea provokes so many possibilities. In anycase Johannes, if the effort is put into making a (Free) French army, I see little trouble in making a Vichy French force. If it were Syria, we've got pretty much all the statics (from the first release), voice commands, player models (except uniforms need to be changed) and weapons. I'm going to go off and do some reseach now and see what major battles took place there. All I know is the British committed next to no armour for its conquest and it was a mountainous, well dug-in defence
Of course it wouldn't be much trouble, it's just that we have to keep in mind the limited number of maps there can be. For instance, in FH1, the French had most of what they needed to be depicted in everything from pre-fall of France to the end of the war, both Vichy and Free France (except they really needed the Chatellerault!). However, they only appeared in one level, Counterattack. So it's not normally a matter of ease but rather how dedicated the mappers are to designing maps for them. Even listing 5 maps to me seemed to be far too hopeful.
But yes, multiple armies would be great, even if at best it was just the kits that looked different. A French/British cooperation map is a must-have again, and German/Italian cooperation can happen in many North African maps (one of the reasons I listed Bir Hakeim).
Johannès;3292463Of course it wouldn't be much trouble, it's just that we have to keep in mind the limited number of maps there can be. For instance, in FH1, the French had most of what they needed to be depicted in everything from pre-fall of France to the end of the war, both Vichy and Free France (except they really needed the Chatellerault!).
If not for historical accuracy, just for the fact that it is The Coolest Gun Of All Time.