US Prototype Heavy Tanks: T-29, T-30; A US 'Kingtiger'? -1 reply

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#1 14 years ago

Sure, the much delayed m-26 pershing could have faired well enough against tigers, but what of the KTs? Had the war dragged on, the answer would likely have been the US T-29, designed during ww2. Ordered in 1944, pilot models of it were finished by 1945. Even more impressive then it was the T-30, for which work on prototypes started in early 1945. The T-30 weighed in at over 105 tons and was armed with a 155 mm gun! There was also a T-32 but this was protoype only, a improved pershing design. Had the war gone on, or had war erupted with the soviet immediately after ww2, its not hard to imagine these tanks figthing panther 2's, kts or perhaps is-3s. I suppose if they had ever been able to get a waaay more powerfull engine's for the maus it wouldn't have the tactical nightmare the prototype would have been, and perhaps fought these tanks -but Ill leave that for that well enough alone. The t30s 155mm gun would have been trouble for it in a direct fire situation either way. Here are the links on it I found: http://www.wwiivehicles.com/html/usa/t29_t30_t32_heavy.html Here's a good pic of the T30, note that the caption says 'developed in 1947' but this is year the prototpyes, started in 45, were delivered. http://www.davidpride.com/Army/us_ft_knox_07.htm A T29 model off lynx: http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/modern/drt29-9.jpg http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/modern/drt29.htm I of course realize many of you may already know of this tank, but it was new to me and it is remarkably obscure. I found the T29 very neat, as its of about the same class as the FH popularized, KT and IS-2 (tanks it was designed to fight). If FH is going to continue to make fictional/historical maps such as alpen, that has vehicles that would have entered full production eoy 45-49, then I think these would very likey be among the US units made. While I am mostly interested in the more realistic ww2 battles, the dynamics of a FH map with a T-29 vs. kt setup are interesting to consider...




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#2 14 years ago

The tank looks cool, i never knew of it's existence.However the chances of this being added are beyond slim.In reality the Pershing is doubtful to be in FH so what are the chances of a prototype tanking getting in :(




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#3 14 years ago

According to your own links, most of these tanks weren't actually ( doesn't matter in what year they were designed ) produced untill 1947.....that is 2 years too late.

I am not that very narrow minded when it comes to a game, but vehicles produced 2 years after the war you get DICE SWoWWII material, and that is bad when it comes down to FH i think. ( the devs did include some very rare proptotypes in Alpenfestung though )

As your links suggest most U.S. designs that were made in the war but not ready for production untill after the war were discarded and prototypes scrapped or send to musea and other instances for display......most of them had no place in the army without a war facing Tigers and King Tigers i recon, and the display of nucliair force at Hiroshima and Nagasaki would hold the Russians at bay for a while too.....




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#4 14 years ago

Although your posts is fair enough I have to say that I´d rather have FH focus on real battles than fictional ones.

Although some prototypes have a certain facination about them, there is no place for them in FH.

I heard a Mod called "Das Reich schlägt zurück" was focusing on these kind of prototypes.




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#5 14 years ago

I don't think we will see these, and I am glad we probably won't. There are many more better things to get ingame.




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#6 14 years ago
Beast of WarAccording to your own links, most of these tanks weren't actually ( doesn't matter in what year they were designed ) produced untill 1947.....that is 2 years too late. I am not that very narrow minded when it comes to a game, but vehicles produced 2 years after the war you get DICE SWoWWII material, and that is bad when it comes down to FH i think. ( the devs did include some very rare proptotypes in Alpenfestung though )

The T-29 prototypes were finished in early 1945, and the T-30s prototypes were started in april of 1945 so its not any 'worse' then some other x-vehicles (as you say). Of course, how these would have compared to a kt or is-2 in battle debatable. I think they had similair problems as the other heavy tanks, - probably why the army didn't want them so much. If we are going to keep getting alpen type content, then this is what very likely would have been the US counter to the kt in that sort of environment. Whether or not we are going to get more alpenfestungs is unkown of course. Most people are more interested in more used ww2 vehicle,s but that didn't stop anyone from makein alpen in the first place. In the poll http://www.gamingforums.com/showthread.php?t=146784&page=4 alpen got a respectable 7 votes too. Thanks for telling me about that mod 'das reich' it looks neat. The pershing is going to be in FH, not sure which release but they said it would be in eventually. The question I guess is more how the heavy tanks would stack up against the kt and perhaps the Is-2, if, and thats a big if, indeed FH is going to go the route of inlcuding these sorts of things.




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#7 14 years ago
I don't think we will see these, and I am glad we probably won't. There are many more better things to get ingame.

:agreed




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#8 14 years ago
KämpferI don't think we will see these, and I am glad we probably won't. There are many more better things to get ingame.

Yea but nobody though we'd get alpenfestung in the first place, regardless of how many people dont like the concept. That its unlikey we'd get the T29 or 30 tank- ok, but it doesn't answer the question of how they would stack against the kt. I did search, lookd like the m26 will eventually be in. The FH pershing model, found here: http://www.gamingforums.com/showthread.php?t=104786&page=8&pp=25&highlight=pershing attachment.php?attachmentid=13653 Edit: Fixed spelling, pic, etc.




Artie Bucco

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#9 14 years ago
terminal-strikeYea but nobody though we'd get alpenstein in the first place, regardless of how many people dont like the concept. That its unlikey we'd get this tank- ok, but it doesn't answer the question of how these would stack against the kt.

alpenfestung its not as hard to spell as Prokhorovka.




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#10 14 years ago

Alpenfestung is not THAT bad... expect maybe the Gotha and the german helo (and most probably teh UFO). Anyway if we get this tank i want the IS3, and both of these tanks are not needed.