Real-BadSeedthey aren't historical, and i hate them. please lose them i hate vanilla.
Took the words right out of my mouth :D . I really cant see why we still have them, after all fh has so many maps now that I really cant see why there still there.
odin (ger)no - keep them and bring back that simple kursk map (can't help I liked it and Ialway had great battles on it) there is always a wonderful nostalgic feeling while playing vanilla maps don't forget your origins ...
Any map made while the mapper was clearly totally ignorant or high at the time of conception should not be made. Kursk took place in the vast, open steppes of Russia. The DICE Kursk makes those steppes look like a wooded highland.
exactly!.. im all for replacements of these vanilla maps. so they are atleast somewhat historical. unlike what we have now. nearly anything would be better than these old ones. :)
Keep them !!
Some only need to be reworked to add what is missing, and remove what should not be there or doesn't function correctly or doesn't give the right gameplay.
Old maps are important to many players since they are familiair with them and don't need to learn to play that map all over again, and that with a zillion all new maps with every release. Play CS and see most players and clans still prefer the old maps, even after 4 or 5 years ( they did modernise them to CSCZ and HL2 CS, but they are essentially still the same )
And do not forget : DICE maps sometimes seem to suffer from FH dev support that is not on par with their own created maps. A simple question of mappers paying much more attention to their own work, as to work that is not their own.
Some of them are OK, and some are not: The new (.66) Tobruk is better since the introduction of "tighter" out-of-bounds (around the lake e.g.) and more diverse vehicles (Macchi 202 Folgore!!).
Kharkov is an example of a map that is good in Vanilla, and SuXxors in FH.
Dump Kursk: Prokharovka is the obvious replacement. With the possibility of other NEW maps to reflect more of the entire Campaign (I'm pretty sure the Devs have their hands full with other things right now : ORTONA! (gratuitous plug for that map to be included in the next patch...).
I'm 50/50 on Market Garden: I don't think it represents that Campaign well...
Battle of Britain is alright I guess... Though I think the 'chutes should be removed, like in Bombing the Reich.
Some of the DICE maps are junk but there are some others that just need some rework.
Bulge, Midway, and Bocage are not bad, they just need some rework. Bulge needs more trees and shrubs.
Midway should be flatter and needs some barracks.
Bocage... For a map supposedly set in the Normandie bocage region it is suprisingly lacking in vegetation. Needs lots of shrubs and trees.
Anlushac11, and Bocage are not bad, they just need some rework. Bulge needs more trees and shrubs.
Bocage needs a spawn to the north IMO, and bulge needs trees and foliage like you said
Vanilla Maps need to go?
YES! BIG YES!!
Except for Wake, Iwo Jima and Alamein. The rest is crap.
ya, i like some DICE maps, just editing them up with FH statics and buildings will do it, pretty much a redo like wake and iwo.. once its edited to FH quality, then got yourself a good map
FH statics? FH has statics?! :eek:
Wake was an excellent redo, but the island needs to be wider. Not streched out, but farther just plain larger.
Even some FH maps (*cough* SAIPAN *cough*) need to be scrapped and redone.