I have a question for the FH dev team, will the Suoma be the KT of the 1940 map? It should be. It had armor that only the 88, stuka, or a lucky rear shot by a Pz4 could penetrate. It was 40kph, and the 47mm gun would waste any german tank in one shot. ONE SHOT! Also, the Char should be slower, but more powerful, with the 75mm inf support and 47mm at guns. I was wondering, cuz I don't want Suomas blowing up from a side 37mm hit.
4th August 2003
Wasn't the Sumoa a LIGHT tank?...
NOpe, that is the Renualt. The Suoma was a heavy calvary tank. Here are the specs:
SUMOA S-35 Various Weight (combat ready): 20 tons Length: 5.45 meters Width: 2.12 meters Height: 2.69 meters Crew: 3
Armor & Armament 1 x 47 mm SA 35 Gun 1 x 7.5 mm Chatellerault M 1931 Machine gun Maximum Armour: 55 mm Minimum Armour: 20 mm
Propulsion Engine: Somua V-8 Power: 190 HP Specific power: 10 HP / ton Speed (*): 40 kph Range (*): 255 km
Production Quantity: 416 examples From: 1936 To: June of 1940
CHAR B1 Various Weight (combat ready): 32 tons Length: 6.52 meters Width: 2.50 meters Height: 2.79 meters Crew: 4
Armor & Armament 1 x 75 mm SA 35 Gun 1 x 47 mm SA 35 Gun 2 x 7.5 mm Chatellerault M 1931 Machine guns Maximum Armour: 60 mm Minimum Armour: 20 mm
Propulsion Engine: Renault, 6 cyl. Power: 307 HP Specific power: 10 HP / ton Speed (*): 28 kph Range (*): 150 km
Production Quantity: 380 examples From: 1938 To: June of 1940 THe Suoma and Charbis1 were basically KTs during the early war, the Charbis 1 had more armor and an inf support gun, but the Suoma was a fast KT.(by KT, I am not saying equal armor, etc, but in 1940, it was like a french KT)
4th August 2003
aaah..I have been enlightened. I've always thought for the longest time that the Sumoa was a light tank. I guess the name just made it sound small. Though, all of their tanks are like that...haha.
lol, yeah, it was pretty small for a tank. But, it kicked seriuos ass. First tank battle, French lost 500 tanks, light, midium, and a few of the heavy, mainly due to 88mms. The germans lost 1500 tanks, and dozens of at guns. Not the roll over, is it?
It should be tough and looking at armor on Somua and PAk 36 penetration a front or side shot has to be under 500m.
But the PzIV looks capable of penetrating even with the softball slow (1263fps/385mps) APCBC round which penetrates 46mm of 30deg armor from 500m. The HEAT round penetrates 75mm at all ranges but still uses the soft ball slow round (1,476fps/450mps).
I think it needs to be pointed out that the 55mm max is on the turret front. Front upper hull is about 35mm @ 22deg from vertical and upper side hull is 40mm @22deg from vertical. This is still as good as or better than the main German tanks at the time.
According to this chart http://www.freeweb.hu/gva/weapons/french_guns3.html
the 47mm A/T gun can penetrate al the then current German tanks at 1000m, 42mm penetration at 30 deg from vertical at 1000m. Thats pretty good.
Serious business brigade
4th September 2004
55mm, remember? So, APCBC round would do much at all. The heat round hadn't been issued yet, they mainly were still using the HE rounds, only going to scratch the paint.:nodding: And raptor, I am talking about those two big tanks o the FH homepage. You know, the ones with te pretty colors? yeah, those!:nodding: Seriusly, here are some pics And, finnaly, one in German duty after the fall of france:
Ack wrong French gun.
The Somua carried the 47mm SA35 which penetrated 33mm at 500m or 40mm at 400m.
Von Mudra55mm, remember?
But only on turret front, Makes sense to shoot for front upper hull which is only 35mm
Oddly enough it seems the upper hull sides are thicker than the front at 40mm.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that teh Somua's were used during opeing of Barbarossa but were retired for same reasons the 38t was, gun was not effective enough against Soviet mediums and armor couldnt survive any Soviet A/T guns.