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Nozyspy

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#61 10 years ago
>Omen<;5454972Well it doesn't take much to find out what genre a game is. A lot of sites that have such trailers categorize them. If you're in a hurry and don't opt to use such info, well then you either have to be more open minded or expect to see something you may find offensive now and then.Yes, in a survival horror game that focuses on the player experiencing a certain horrific shock factor, I think the whole point IS including such content, and had you done a very minor bit of checking or at least sourced that trailer on one of many sites that details the genre, you'd have known that before hand.[/QUOTE] It was a whim, i was watching the Mass Effect 3 trailer and that happened to be on the same page, curiosity got the better of me. Are you trying to get a rise out of me or something? Because your tactless and somewhat arrogant replies are having some success. >.> I was curious to know what the game was about, so watched a trailer on a whim, isnt that what trailers are for? I was grossed out and somewhat disturbed by the violence of the content and thus have no interest in playing the game, what is the problem? If you like or otherwise dont mind games that include such strong gore, then thats up to you, i wont try and stop you, and i respect your free will to choose. You do not seem to respect the opinion of others who dislike the very idea of such games, or the use of gore as a form of entertainment however. What i fail to understand about that whole genre of games and indeed films is why the 'horrific shock factor' is so appealing to people when if they saw such things in real life they would no doubt vomit their guts out. [QUOTE=Granyaski;5454950]Better question is should we let younger kids play and or see this?

Kids are surrounded by enough horror in the real world without exposing them to it in entertainment as well. :/




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#62 10 years ago
Nozyspy;5455250It was a whim, i was watching the Mass Effect 3 trailer and that happened to be on the same page, curiosity got the better of me. Are you trying to get a rise out of me or something? Because your tactless and somewhat arrogant replies are having some success. >.> I was curious to know what the game was about, so watched a trailer on a whim, isnt that what trailers are for? I was grossed out and somewhat disturbed by the violence of the content and thus have no interest in playing the game, what is the problem?

And someone as thin skinned as you regarding gore, as I said, needs to either be more open minded if you choose to go willy nilly randomly gawking at trailers without checking to see what they're about, or lay off the over-reactions, because that in a nutshell is what it is. I happen to feel it's absurd for someone to watch a survival horror trailer, then insist the gore in it is just too grotesque. If you're really THAT sensitive, you ought to be checking content BEFORE viewing, period. It's like when parents block certain content on a TV for children too young to view it, just use common sense rather than playing the blame game.

So no, I don't think I'm being tactless or arrogant, in fact I see those qualities in you. It reminds me of the all too many hypocritical Tipper and Al types going around telling people what should be censored, and all over your own laziness in neglecting to research what you were watching beforehand.

And no, I don't think trailers are for people randomly viewing, vs fans of a certain titles whom have been anxiously awaiting them and watch the trailers while they're waiting for them to release. Look at the comments on your average trailer at GameTrailers.com. You will find most of them are from those whom have been eagerly awaiting the titles they're watching a trailer of. So it's not ME that has the problem, it's YOU. Just do a bit of checking before labeling something as too gross. Do you really think had you made a comment like that on the trailer site the others viewing it would agree with you or not say the same things I've been saying?

If you like or otherwise dont mind games that include such strong gore, then thats up to you, i wont try and stop you, and i respect your free will to choose. You do not seem to respect the opinion of others who dislike the very idea of such games, or the use of gore as a form of entertainment however.

I'd respect it had you made more sense in your overall assessment and methods you went about judging it by, but for someone whom randomly views trailers and at the same time is so easily grossed out, I really think it's obvious you are not the best judge of such content.

What i fail to understand about that whole genre of games and indeed films is why the 'horrific shock factor' is so appealing to people when if they saw such things in real life they would no doubt vomit their guts out.

That only validates what I've been saying all along. You don't understand it well enough to be judging it, period. Do you honestly think movie critics would have successful careers if they were as close minded as you regarding gore? Not that I care for movie critics, but it's a valid point I think. They have the job of objectionably reporting their opinion on various forms of film work, yet as arrogant as they often sound, at least they respect that gore is a vital element to certain types of films, be it Saving Private Ryan or your average slasher, zombie or serial killer movie. It's the same with games, and it should be.

Bottom line, if you have a queasy stomach and can't tolerate such content, just avoid it, but going around randomly clicking on trailers, then insisting they're too gross, is just pure nonsense.

Kids are surrounded by enough horror in the real world without exposing them to it in entertainment as well. :/

Hmmm, I thought we were talking about what YOU felt was too gory, not some random kid. I'll have to assume since you're a mod that you're an adult. THAT is a whole other subject though, and I DO feel parents (AND movie theaters) need to be careful what they allow young children to see. There IS a reason for the movie/game rating system, and any parent with a child has the responsibility to pay attention to it. Kids too young to understand such content can wind up scarred by it, but that doesn't mean an adult cannot view it without such adverse affects.

That being said, I think we've both made our points, and I'm not in the mood to be throttled by a mod should you over-react not just to gore, but to my opinions of your assessment of it, esp considering you've already laid too much blame for someone blaming devs for putting content in that makes perfect sense in the genre mentioned. ;)




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#63 10 years ago

So, is this a personal debate between you two now or should we poll for a separate thread to be made?




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#64 10 years ago
Totes McTurner;5455586So, is this a personal debate between you two now or should we poll for a separate thread to be made?

I already said we've both made our points sufficiently, maybe you didn't bother reading that part. Are you looking to end the argument, or perpetuate it? :rolleyes:




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#65 10 years ago

Depends... =p




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#66 10 years ago

Granyaski;5454950Better question is should we let younger kids play and or see this?[/QUOTE]

We should make younger kids play and see this. Toughen them up a bit.

[QUOTE=Nozyspy;5455250]Kids are surrounded by enough horror in the real world without exposing them to it in entertainment as well. :/

Kids are given three hot meals a day, a roof over their heads, they don't have to work, there's generally TV, or some form of computer, or drugs, or people to get into relatively harmless playground fights with. By and large they've got a life of milk and honey. The main enemy as a kid, I recall, was boredom.




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#67 10 years ago

So anyways back on topic (from my previous two posts that is) I've been playing Fallout 3 and I have to say, it's one of the biggest gore-fests I've ever played. I find it really rather unnecessary. There's even a perk called "Bloody Mess" that increases the chance that your enemies will explode into a gory bonanza of blood and limbs.

Really? Is that necessary? Sure, it's a dirty, irradiated wasteland with mutants and freakish ghouls, but I'm sorry, I don't see the need for a fountain of blood when I shoot someone. Did I mention the Bloody Mess perk also works when you use knives, etc? I have to say, that did actually make me chuckle. Oh and just for the record, the decapitation is extremely detailed.




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#68 10 years ago

Fallout 3 is just comedy gore. If anything my complaint is that if you're going to do gore it should be more realistic.




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#69 10 years ago
Totes McTurner;5455586So, is this a personal debate between you two now or should we poll for a separate thread to be made?[/QUOTE] We have a difference of opinion, as many people here will have. If i wasnt being continually accosted over every small thing i say that he doesnt like there wouldnt be a problem though. >.>
>Omen< I thought we were talking about what YOU felt was too gory, not some random kid.[/quote] I was replying to the question of whether younger kids should be allowed to play or see this kind of stuff. [QUOTE=>Omen<;5455576] Bottom line, if you have a queasy stomach and can't tolerate such content, just avoid it, but going around randomly clicking on trailers, then insisting they're too gross, is just pure nonsense.Hmmm, I thought we were talking about what YOU felt was too gory, not some random kid. I'll have to assume since you're a mod that you're an adult. THAT is a whole other subject though, and I DO feel parents (AND movie theaters) need to be careful what they allow young children to see. There IS a reason for the movie/game rating system, and any parent with a child has the responsibility to pay attention to it. Kids too young to understand such content can wind up scarred by it, but that doesn't mean an adult cannot view it without such adverse affects.
I have unfortunately stumbled across worse real world gore during my travels on the internets than is featured in Dead Space. I am not queasy or easily grossed out by any means; ive seen worse medical or accident related gore than is featured in any video game, however i didnt use it as a form of entertainment, it only being of interest on a scientific and medical level. I am not suggesting anybody of sufficient age sholdnt be allowed to play such games should they wish to. I just question the motives and moral integrity of any developers adding such content to a game for the purposes of entertainment. I watched the trailer on a whim to find out what Dead Space was about, normally i use Wikipedia for a story synopsis. I didnt like the level of gore and violence that i saw had been put into a game irrelevent of its genre. I will not make the same mistake again >.> If you think that level of gore is justified, then you are welcome to your opinion and we will have to agree to differ, now stop picking apart every little thing i say for flaws and let this be the end it it please. [QUOTE=Nemmerle;5455637]We should make younger kids play and see this. Toughen them up a bit. Kids are given three hot meals a day, a roof over their heads, they don't have to work, there's generally TV, or some form of computer, or drugs, or people to get into relatively harmless playground fights with. By and large they've got a life of milk and honey. The main enemy as a kid, I recall, was boredom.

That depends unfortunately, alot of children are exposed to violence either in their family lives or otherwise depending on how wealthy of poor they are and not all kids even in first world countries get 3 meals a day. Not all 'playground fights' are harmless either, im sure you have heard of 'happy slapping'. In summary, no i dont think gore makes a game better, you can create suspense, terror, horror, an adrenalin rush and tell a compelling story without having to use gore. In fact, i think it speaks more for a developers skills when they can create such emotions without having to appeal to peoples bloodlust. :/




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#70 10 years ago
Nozyspy;5456434That depends unfortunately, alot of children are exposed to violence either in their family lives or otherwise depending on how wealthy or poor they are and not all kids even in first world countries get 3 meals a day. Not all 'playground fights' are harmless either, im sure you have heard of 'happy slapping'. In summary, no i dont think gore makes a game better, you can create suspense, terror, horror, an adrenalin rush and tell a compelling story without having to use gore. In fact, i think it speaks more for a developers skills when they can create such emotions without having to appeal to peoples bloodlust. :/

Terror, horror - don't kids see enough of that already? ...

How much is enough anyway? Are we judging them to have had enough when they don't go to sleep for three days - what positive gain are you using to judge them to have had enough to achieve the aim?

The issue is deeper, and blood-lust comes very close to the core of it. These games don't traumatise people, they're enjoyed by them. There's a market.

I'm far more worried about the things that we inflict on the majority without anything approaching consent. An education system fit for simpletons and retards, to crush the spirit and imagination clean out of them. It's little more than free day-care.

It seems to me that's the main source of this violence a lot of kids seem to go through. Happy slapping? It's worth noting that happy slapping is recreational violence. Very similar to counting coup really - it's nothing knew. A solution to boredom, of a world that presented no serious challenges with which to engage. You leave animals in cages they go crazy - I'm not particularly surprised to find that the same happens to humans.

Of course games like Dead Space are similar - they're painkillers for the same underlying boredoms and they harness many of the same destructive impulses. Oh, I agree there are ways to build suspense and horror that don't involve gore, but I don't think that's what Dead Space was about. Gore isn't scary, it's - satisfying.