Should It Be Illegal to Prevent People From Buying Used Games? 35 replies

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#21 7 years ago

Nemmerle;5607560Nothing. Which is the same thing that stops them now.

Presumably no-one would buy their car unless all the other car companies did it to.

Presumably noone would buy videogames from publishers which use draconic DRM.

It is true that nothing stops them from doing it now (many companies already use various methods to artificially restrict functionality of their products, it just isn't well known), but you don't have to give them funny ideas by showing them how easy it is to do it.




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#22 7 years ago

Hi, I see no harm in buying used games. I play pc games only, but when a game first comes out, it often costs around £25 or more. I have bought some new games in the past, Brothers in Arms series, Quake 4, Doom 3 to name a few, but i cannot always afford to pay out for all new games i want. Quite often, if i wait a few months, i can pick up the games i want for half the price. I see nothing wrong in that. People can trade in games they no longer want and others can then afford to buy them. Its not like piracy. I have noticed many new games now have to be registered online during setup. This prevents them being sold on. To me, that seems a bit daft. I know part of the reason is to prevent piracy, but it just stops some people buying those games. This can also stop some people buying add ons or other games in the series. Also, why should i pay out for net connection just so i can play a game??

If gamers want to play online, thats fair enough. Its their decision. But its unfair making anyone have to go online in order to install a game when they have paid out for it




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#23 7 years ago
hj592010;5607984Also, why should i pay out for net connection just so i can play a game?? If gamers want to play online, thats fair enough. Its their decision. But its unfair making anyone have to go online in order to install a game when they have paid out for it

Yet you hardly hear about people moaning about games using Steamworks anymore. There are still people doing it, but as its become more common, there aren't as many people complaining. Either because they don't care, or are happy enough to have to install Steam and let their purchased copy of a game have to be registered online via Steam. Which then goes on to boost Valve's profits via Steam. "Supposedly" (a popular theory concerning a franchise of games retailers) in the UK, this kind of thing has been used against some publishers by causing their games that require Steamworks for the PC version of a multi-platform release to be released much later on Steam itself.




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#24 7 years ago

MrFancypants;5607686Presumably noone would buy videogames from publishers which use draconic DRM.

It is true that nothing stops them from doing it now (many companies already use various methods to artificially restrict functionality of their products, it just isn't well known), but you don't have to give them funny ideas by showing them how easy it is to do it.

Games are exclusive assets - if you want to play Assassins Creed you either pirate it, or you get it with Ubisoft's DRM, or you don't play it. The publisher has a better bargaining position, I suspect; I'm not sure cars are the same sort of thing.

Maybe with the more expensive cars that toffs buy, but with your more run of the mill car, that the majority of us will be driving, it makes little difference which car company you go with; there's no reason to have any sort of brand loyalty. They all have power steering, they all have airbags, they tend to get roughly the same MPG.

So if they decide to change their terms, either they must do it together or you can just buy another car - I think. Their hand isn't very strong.

You advanced a similar argument to me some time ago: that consumers were more or less rational agents. You did so, as I recall, in reaction to the idea that supermarkets could escalate their prices and as long as they didn't - at any point - escalate their price dramatically, then the consumer would prefer to stick with them, rather than go to the other supermarket and put themselves to that sort of bother.

The other supermarkets would then have to imitate them to offset the advantage that they'd gain when you multiplied out the small increase across thousands of purchases and so prices would naturally creep up over time.

You cannot, it seems to me, account for both behaviours if you continue to entertain the idea that consumers have the relatively advanced degree of rationality required to look ahead and see the price creep and select a different supermarket. In short, for them to have the intelligence to see that they must punish defecting supermarkets. And not entertain the idea that they would act rationally in the case of car purchases.

At least not without incorporating some premise that would strengthen the car company's hand such that they could force a resolution in their favour - while the supermarkets could not.




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#25 7 years ago
Fyurii;5608264Yet you hardly hear about people moaning about games using Steamworks anymore. There are still people doing it, but as its become more common, there aren't as many people complaining. Either because they don't care, or are happy enough to have to install Steam and let their purchased copy of a game have to be registered online via Steam. Which then goes on to boost Valve's profits via Steam. "Supposedly" (a popular theory concerning a franchise of games retailers) in the UK, this kind of thing has been used against some publishers by causing their games that require Steamworks for the PC version of a multi-platform release to be released much later on Steam itself.

Yes, you are right when you mention the business about people having to register games with steam. I know a few people were annoyed when they had to do this for Half Life 2. A game i looked forward to, but dont have because i only access the net via my phone, or by tethering my phone to my laptop. Of course, i couldnt play games using this method and i cannot afford net connection. My phone gives me a certain amount of net use, which i dont go over as it cuts me off when i run out. Better than ending up paying extra charges :)

I feel most people have now become so used to steam accounts, its fast becoming the norm.

I was sad to see the gameshop i have used for over 10 years close down. It was squeezed out mainly due to 2 large gaming shops. These shops will no longer sell used pc games, yet are happy to sell used console games.

Im afraid this is how gaming is going now. I guess console games prob sell more than pc games now. In time, i feel pc games will dissappear from shops completely. Replaced by downloads, which will be payed for online.

Yet when that time arrives, i shall still happily play my pc games, with mods, maps & TCs, provided by gamers for gamers ;)




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#26 7 years ago
hj592010;5608855 Im afraid this is how gaming is going now. I guess console games prob sell more than pc games now. In time, i feel pc games will dissappear from shops completely. Replaced by downloads, which will be payed for online.

Out of all the game shops I've visited in the past two or three years, only one had pc games at all... Very sad. :(


Disclaimer: Personal opinions still not endorsed by Ryojin.



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#27 7 years ago
Ryojin;5608875Out of all the game shops I've visited in the past two or three years, only one had pc games at all... Very sad. :(

There's a fair number of places near me where PC gamers are sold, but they're always in such a tiny section. Console games and accessories bring the retailers so much more money, and for one reason. Consoles are easy to use. They're easy to use because they have standardised hardware for each one. Minor changes over models during the lifetime of a console, but nothing that requires someone to buy the newer version of their console, barring it breaking down or being broken. Most of my games collection is through digital distribution now. Even to the point that I've re-bought many older games for a digital copy of them. Good Old Games ftw! Honestly though, I wouldn't be surprised if the next generation of consoles had digital distribution as an alternative to retail. Let's face it, you can't trade-in something where its only physical existence is on your hard drive.




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#28 7 years ago

Fyurii,

Sadly, i think you are right about the future of gaming. It would also wipeout the need for game shops to stock large numbers of games, plus cut down the need to display shelves full of games.

One upside i can think of, is it would also do away with idiotic sales staff, pestering customers whilst browsing. Especially the ones who dont really know anything about the games they are selling. A dead give away is watching them read the back of the game like we couldnt do that ourselves.

Yes, that has happened to me in the past lol




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#29 7 years ago

The thing is, even if Publishers start to add DRM, Online Passes, or make their game download only with no physical copy, people will still buy it because it's one of their main sources of entertainment. Eventually I bet all new games will be $100 base price, and people will still buy them by the millions.




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#30 7 years ago

And this is one of the most sad things about gaming. No matter what publishers do, they'll always be a buyer. People even continue to buy PC games from Ubisoft despite how they lie to their customers and repeatedly screw and inconvenience legit consumers with their DRM.