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#1 6 years ago

Greetings! :wave:

Well, I was just thinking... I just came home and this random thought popped up in my head, which I'd like to share and maybe create some discussion about it.

It's about art. Painting, music, sculpture, etc, etc...

I remember some weeks ago, in social studies class, we had to do a work. We got a set of instructions of which we had to make a small society, in an abandoned island, into our dream utopia (sp?) or dream society; we had to discuss in groups and then present our idea for the class. We had to discuss about what things we'd need or have in our society regarding economy, work and social networks. School, hospitals, learning system, how people'd get work and from what age and how much they should work, etc.

What I noticed that all groups had in common (including mine, where I had to just withdraw my opinion due to democracy...), was that art was the least important part in all of societies the groups had presented. Supposedly, it's not good for the economy, it doesn't really produce work, and apparently, artists don't spend as much time and don't work as hard as say... A builder or a black smith. (this according to the students in my group)

While I agree to a certain degree, that an artist does not work in the same hard way as a builder would; a musician might not contribute in practical or vital way as much as a fisherman would. I agree to a certain degree.

I think art is way too underrated. While in this island-scenario, it might not seem vital or something really needed, I think art would be as useful and vital as food or shelter, since it provides psychological stability, in my opinion. A nice infrastructure (architecture) would motivate people; no one would like to go to his workplace that looks too crappy. Or that blues as an example, which was born with the slave workers in USA, who sung to have a little break from the overwhelming work... Or at least to rant and complain a little.

And well, yeah... Lots of more exmaples... Like the Renaissance, where if you don't count all the murderings, conspiracies wars, segregation, poverty, plagues, etc... Was a pretty darn good era where artists were well respected and were among the people with swag... Well, there was the concept of the universal man (Or renaissance man, as we know it today), which made it a lot more awesome... But what if art was more financed nowadays? With all the innovations there are and new philosophy and way of thinking, wouldn't the concept of the renaissance man come in handy pretty much a fucking lot? Wouldn't the world be at least a bit better if people concentrated a bit more on art as it once was?

Just some thoughts...

Discuss!


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#2 6 years ago

The idea that art isn't an economically viable activity is laughable. What industries are most stable during recessions? Oh yeah, entertainment. What's most of our economy concerned with? Oh yeah, entertainment. What's most of entertainment? The distribution of various forms of art.

Indeed, as production and sales become increasingly automated, it may soon be the only viable economic activity.

Economics is sort of like Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Art may not be as important in a final survival sense as agriculture or shelter. But how many of the people in your population do you know who are personally involved in those activities? As you move up the hierarchy the relative importance of different activities varies vastly.




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#3 6 years ago

Art may not be very practical, but it is certainly necessary to the sanity of civilization.




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#4 6 years ago

We go through the majority of our childhood being told art isn't a good career option and to stay away (and are often steered away by others) from it for something much more relevant. It is, and Nemmerle said what I wanted to say.




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#5 6 years ago

I don't know. My mother was always asking for a picture with whatever I wrote, and consequently I grew to hate the whole collection for a very long time. The one thing I didn't have any apparent skill at, and had no idea at the time how to develop, was the one thing it was considered acceptable to value.

Eventually I ended up taking a photography qualification because she said I had to have some arts based qualification. An area in which I was... proficient enough... I suppose. Again though the place that was providing the qualification provided no real input into the art aspect of the thing.

I'm not saying that you're wrong. I've just not come across the overt anti-art bias you seem to see. Most of the things I've seen have just been really crappy teaching.

And in my experience that goes across most departments. There was one kid taking A Level chemistry at my sixth form - and I believe he had to drop it when they cancelled the course. There were three - maybe four - kids taking A Level Physics. As I recall they barely had one school's worth of science teachers, that they skipped around the schools in the local area.

It doesn't really surprise me that we don't produce many scientists or artists. Both those subjects require skills and a depth of knowledge to do well that you wouldn't sniff at. And our education system is fucked beyond belief. Most of the students just seemed to be taking the path of least resistance to get through university. Which they'd been told would be a requirement for getting a decent job.

Though of course this only really goes for the UK. Perhaps America has a different culture in this regard.




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#6 6 years ago

[COLOR=SeaGreen]I think the reason people neglect art in their imaginary society is because the people think more about the things needed most for life to continue. You can live without an art gallery, but you cannot live without a source of food and water. Next, they list the beliefs that they hold most dear to them, like the way they think the government SHOULD work, and then the kind of people they want around them, and the people they want to be rid of. When I took that class though, I made sure to list that I would take at least one of my guitars with me. :nodding: [/COLOR]


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#7 6 years ago

Nemmerle;5618735I don't know. My mother was always asking for a picture with whatever I wrote, and consequently I grew to hate the whole collection for a very long time. The one thing I didn't have any apparent skill at, and had no idea at the time how to develop, was the one thing it was considered acceptable to value.[/QUOTE]

I should have mentioned that - parents usually appreciate the artistic values their children has, it's most of society that doesn't.

Nemmerle;5618735Eventually I ended up taking a photography qualification because she said I had to have some arts based qualification. An area in which I was... proficient enough... I suppose. Again though the place that was providing the qualification provided no real input into the art aspect of the thing.[/QUOTE]

I took a photography/graphics design course in high school. You'd think it would be about creative, but it was far from it. Aside from photography, everything I did in graphics design wasn't creative because we were all supposed to do the same thing to lessen the burden of the grading the teacher had to do. :cort:

Now I don't know if it was because of my location and its very small population, but our department of education was looking to cut funding in our more artistic programs, and wanted to get rid of some courses such as philosophy (philosophy was actually terminated several years before I got there, regardless of it being one of the more popular courses), photography, and a few others.

On a side note, the university for my province is trying to terminate the psychology program at my high school. When I was there, my high school was the ONLY school in Atlantic Canada and the majority of Quebec to teach a psychology course. Apparently our teacher teaches it in an open-minded way, which the professors don't like. They'd rather it be more about studying and memorising 'facts', which our teacher told us didn't exist in psychology because there are no absolutes to the human mind.

Nemmerle;5618735I'm not saying that you're wrong. I've just not come across the overt anti-art bias you seem to see. Most of the things I've seen have just been really crappy teaching.

I've had this conversation with a friend I know (who is now quickly becoming an engineer), and he feels that in the western society art isn't valued in the education system, it almost always falls beneath math/biology/physics/chemistry/English/etc.

[QUOTE=Nemmerle;5618735]It doesn't really surprise me that we don't produce many scientists or artists. Both those subjects require skills and a depth of knowledge to do well that you wouldn't sniff at. And our education system is fucked beyond belief. Most of the students just seemed to be taking the path of least resistance to get through university. Which they'd been told would be a requirement for getting a decent job.

I took the path of least resistance. Why? Because I didn't give fuck-all about courses I despised being forced down my throat.

[QUOTE=Nemmerle]Though of course this only really goes for the UK. Perhaps America has a different culture in this regard.

This neatly sums up education in North America:

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They do a pretty good job teaching science I might add, I just don't care for science, my goal isn't to help propel the future.




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#8 6 years ago

Art Is Most Important Thing To Express Our Feelings!! :)