Altruism - Does it really exsist? 56 replies

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IR15H

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#1 12 years ago

Alturism is the helping of others purely out of the "goodness of your heart", there are no benifits whatsoever for the helper, infact there may be negative effects. Do you think it is possible for humans to ever help purely for others benifit, or, is there always some personal gain/benifit (real or percieved) that is the reason we help others?




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#2 12 years ago

meh some milionaire doctor in egypt is building a hospital for the homeless and needy. I dont see what he could be getting back other then recognition from people.

more or less I believe people are capable of alturism.




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#3 12 years ago
-DarthMaul-meh some milionaire doctor in egypt is building a hospital for the homeless and needy. I dont see what he could be getting back other then recognition from people.

There's the percieved "benifit" of his actions.




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#4 12 years ago

Well, when I help someone, it is because it makes them and myself feel good. I don't know if we could do it without having that satisfactory feeling.




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#5 12 years ago
IR15HThere's the percieved "benifit" of his actions.

that doesn't neccesarily count. The persons motives are what matter here. IF said doctor truly didn't care about the recognition, he would be acting altruisticly, even if he still recived that "benefit"




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#6 12 years ago

Well most people who are in love behave rather altruistic most of the time. Sure, they get something in return, but at the moment when they behave altruistic they don't do so because they consciously expect a favour in return.




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#7 12 years ago
TheMirageThe persons motives are what matter here. IF said doctor truly didn't care about the recognition, he would be acting altruisticly, even if he still recived that "benefit"[/QUOTE] Yes but do they is the question, does a doctor only help someone purely for their benift or do they want to feel as if they are helping someone (ie to feel good about themselves), it doesnt have to be paise from an outside source. [QUOTE=MrFancypants] Well most people who are in love behave rather altruistic most of the time. Sure, they get something in return, but at the moment when they behave altruistic they don't do so because they consciously expect a favour in return.

Do they act soley in their lovers interest or do they not want to feel bad themselves, for not helping, thus by helping they are removing this negative feeling (known as the Negative Self-Release model) and so this is a benifit to help. This would also explain why people are willing to do something for lovers more than a strangers, because they care more about them, and so to a degree are acting with self interest.




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#8 12 years ago
IR15H Do they act soley in their lovers interest or do they not want to feel bad themselves, for not helping, thus by helping they are removing this negative feeling (known as the Negative Self-Release model) and so this is a benifit to help. This would also explain why people are willing to do something for lovers more than a strangers, because they care more about them, and so to a degree are acting with self interest.

I can't talk for others, but if I buy my girlfriend a little present I usually do so out of a sudden impulse and because I know that she will like it. I don't usually think "it's about time I buy another present", so I don't try to remove any negative feelings (at least not consciously). A lot of our actions are possibly directed on a subconscious level but I don't know enough about this to determine if every person is subconsciously egoistic or altruistic.




IR15H

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#9 12 years ago
MrFancypantsI can't talk for others, but if I buy my girlfriend a little present I usually do so out of a sudden impulse and because I know that she will like it. I don't usually think "it's about time I buy another present", so I don't try to remove any negative feelings (at least not consciously).

When you buy her a present and give it to her, do you expect that she will be grateful for it and subsequently this will make you feel good? Its an nice act, but somewhere in there I believe there must some form of personal motivation. I'd like to believe im (or people in general are) capable of altruistics acts, unfortunately I just dont think its possible for humans to behave this way.




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#10 12 years ago

No matter what the action, you can always claim that there is some benefit. Even if you are entirely anonymous in your charity, someone can still make the argument you did it for spiritual benefit. Therefore you have to consider what the motives of the people actually were, rather than what they might have been. We cannot guess at what other's motives are for charity... If you spend millions of dollars on people you will never meet, and all you can potentially gain from it is recognition, you are most likely not doing it out of motivation to gain that recognition. Therefore I conclude altruism is possible.