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#21 7 years ago
Einherjar Silberio;5657476I was expecting someone getting a sword busted in his balls.

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#22 7 years ago

I do indeed... :vikki:


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#23 7 years ago

The problem is that if neither side fights honorably then it leads to an escalation of events. Sure you can win in the short term by defecting and being dishonorable, but the long term consequences of that aren't desirable. It's one of the reasons that, in situations where long term stability between multiple powerful actors is more common, honor tends to be more of a concern. People have too much to lose in just defecting.

Not that I think shield-guy fought exceptionally honorably - or that the other guy didn't - he just kinda sucked.




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#24 7 years ago

Wait, so... Those knights and stuff had like codes of honor when fighting aswell?


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#25 7 years ago

-shrug- I don't know much about what constituted chivalric conduct.

Certainly between Christians there were some rules relating to combat. In the 12th century they banned the use of Crossbows against fellow Christians. Ransom was a huge thing: Following the Battle of Agincourt, IIRC, the nobles on the English side weren't willing to kill off the captured French knights - so the peasants had to be ordered to do it instead.

Then there was stuff like trial by combat - originally a german tradition I believe - where two people would meet with prescribed weapons and armour and have at each other. I believe that eventually evolved into the sort of renaissance gentlemanly duels, (because the nobility weren't required to submit their claims to the courts as commoners were and thus when the courts decided to do away with it it didn't change things for them.)

Personally, I don't see the way the folks in the clip fought as being dishonorable. If they'd wanted a particular set of rules they should have specified it at the outset. Killing the guy at the end's possibly a bit of an arsey thing to do but that's not really part of the fighting - that's more like an execution. A bad precedent to set, possibly dishonorable, but it's not like he whipped out a crossbow and shot the other one down or anything that would blatantly violate the expectations of the duel.

The theme of the statement the non-shield guy made at the end seemed to be that if you fought with honor you lost. A "That guy had honor and look at him, he's dead now." kinda thing. But, by the time honor might be said to have come into it, he'd already lost.

Traditionally, I believe, the loser in a trial by combat, if they were still alive, was hung on the spot anyway. =p




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#26 7 years ago

Thought there'd be some kind of thing... I wonder though how many respected those codes in actuall battle =p

And I agree, I saw it as a relatively fair battle... Or not really, since the one lad had full set of armor and shield, so it's kinda... Yeah.


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#27 7 years ago

The Great Saladin during the crusades was known for being both a just and kind man but also a cruel one depending on your point of view, he would treat his prisoners exceptionally well, but would also release those prisoners he treated so well back to their kings with missing fingers if they were archers, eyes if they were sword men and in the case that they were all blind he'd chop off the nose of one man but leave his sight so that he could lead his brothers back, if he had to retreat or the catholic kings refused to pay ransomed.

What does this all mean? Code of honor is in the eye of the beholder.