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#1 7 years ago

M5 crash: seven dead in 'worst ever' smash in Somerset - Telegraph And alot of Idiots want to raise the Motorway Limit to 80mph. I always drive on Motorways, was actully on the M6 Earier yesterday and due to heavy rain, roads were drenched and visiability poor, yet you still saw people doing a Ton (100mph) or over down it. When something serious happens, in those conditions at that speed, you Wont stop. People dont think about that.




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#2 7 years ago

Accidents seem to happen most frequently because of reduced separation distances - which tend to happen, in my experience, less often in areas with higher speed limits because the person who wants to go faster just uses the overtaking lane rather than trying to climb up your arse. I drive a fair bit in the UK and on the continent, where the speed limits are generally significantly higher, and I find driving on the continent, by and large, to be a much more comfortable experience. Except in places like the Netherlands where they're fucking nutters.

Returning to de-regulated speeds, or raising the speed limit, isn't necessarily a bad idea.

Of course if you wanted to reduce road accidents it might be nice to have a proper driving test rather than this manoeuvre focused, slow-speed bullshit we have nowadays; that's totally separated from the theory section of the test because no-one's expected to actually apply their theory knowledge to a plan they can give to the examiner.




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#3 7 years ago
Nemmerle;5581438Accidents seem to happen most frequently because of reduced separation distances - which tend to happen, in my experience, less often in areas with higher speed limits because the person who wants to go faster just uses the overtaking lane rather than trying to climb up your arse. I drive a fair bit in the UK and on the continent, where the speed limits are generally significantly higher, and I find driving on the continent, by and large, to be a much more comfortable experience. Except in places like the Netherlands where they're fucking nutters. Returning to de-regulated speeds, or raising the speed limit, isn't necessarily a bad idea. Of course if you wanted to reduce road accidents it might be nice to have a proper driving test rather than this manoeuvre focused, slow-speed bullshit we have nowadays; that's totally separated from the theory section of the test because no-one's expected to actually apply their theory knowledge to a plan they can give to the examiner.

True, people dont keep their distance, that bugs me. also if I am honest, the car you drive effects aswell, back on my old car, if the shit hit the fan, I know id crash and wouldnt handle a sudden move. But my recent car, is bigger, a better make and I feel it is safer and handles better if a problem arises. That being said, I still dont break speed limits, I keep my distance, I act upon road and weather conditions and I am always observing, also I wont drink a drop of alcohol (even legal amount) and drive while tired.




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#4 7 years ago

They are raising the limit to the speed at which everyone drives anyway.

You will rarely actually see somebody going 70mph on the motorway when you compare it to people going 90 odd mph.

I heard about the mash up on the radio and watched the news for it that night. One hell of a pile up. Couple of people died, quite a sad event really.




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#5 7 years ago

This was all over the news yesterday. It's not the speed limit that's the problem (I'm actually all for increasing the national limit to 80mph). The problems are that of the drivers. Not giving enough distance between them and the car in front, not indicating, talking on their phones, lighting a cigarette.

If you're driving, your full attention should be on the road ahead, in addition to your surroundings. None of us (yet) know what circumstances resulted in this crash, it could have been weather related, could have been connected to fireworks and such that were being let off in the area, but you can guarantee that one of the drivers involved was doing something they shouldn't have been.




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#6 7 years ago
Alakazam;5581864This was all over the news yesterday. It's not the speed limit that's the problem (I'm actually all for increasing the national limit to 80mph). The problems are that of the drivers. Not giving enough distance between them and the car in front, not indicating, talking on their phones, lighting a cigarette. If you're driving, your full attention should be on the road ahead, in addition to your surroundings. None of us (yet) know what circumstances resulted in this crash, it could have been weather related, could have been connected to fireworks and such that were being let off in the area, but you can guarantee that one of the drivers involved was doing something they shouldn't have been.

I think its a mix of everything, including speed, the arguement of "everyone goes fast anyway" doesnt matter. You blasting down the Motorway at 90mph in Heavy rain and you aint gonna stop, even at the actual speed limit of 70 you aint got a chance. Distance is a big thing, bigger than speed, but speed is still a problem, along with not paying attention and tiredness and people driving like general idiots




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#7 7 years ago

Crusader;5581443True, people dont keep their distance, that bugs me.[/QUOTE]

I just ease off the gas a little when people start tailgating. They get the message fairly quickly.

[QUOTE=Crusader;5581443]also if I am honest, the car you drive effects aswell, back on my old car, if the shit hit the fan, I know id crash and wouldnt handle a sudden move. But my recent car, is bigger, a better make and I feel it is safer and handles better if a problem arises. That being said, I still dont break speed limits, I keep my distance, I act upon road and weather conditions and I am always observing, also I wont drink a drop of alcohol (even legal amount) and drive while tired.

Ironically the biggest cause of crashes in this country - at least according to the DVLA, (for whatever that's worth) - is people who believe they can handle their car if something goes wrong; either because their car is fantastic or they think they're god's gift to drivers; and thus take more risks than they otherwise would. If you know your car is shitty or your reactions are bad you plan that into your drive, but if you're confident you don't. It's why insurance costs so much for people who've just qualified, and even more for people who want sporty cars.

You don't have a crash in your first five years of driving there are very good odds that you never will. Heck you don't crash in the first year the risk of your having a crash in your lifetime goes down by 43%.

I suspect much of it's just that people don't know what the information in their theory test actually looks like on the ground. You get told that a stopping distance is X metres at Y miles an hour. I don't have a clue what ten metres looks like, let alone the numbers they use - I just don't measure things in my day to day life. The two second rule was an extremely clever way of formalising things, the written distances is an extremely stupid way....

Really you need to be behind a car on the motorway and have someone say, 'Yeah, this is a good distance.' Have someone say, 'hey, don't do this because in a couple of seconds this guy's going to do this because of this....' It wouldn't be a bad idea to take people to a race track and have them throw a car around just to see how fragile the handling really is either. As it is people either learn it after their test and become decent drivers - or they don't and remain a menace to every living thing.

People don't get taught a lot of road reading in their driving lessons/tests. I suspect they don't really know what safety looks like. Easy to be confident when you don't know jack =p




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#8 7 years ago
Nemmerle;5581992I just ease off the gas a little when people start tailgating. They get the message fairly quickly.

I do that until they go around me. At least if they're going to drive like a psycho it won't be me they take with them. Thumbs up to strategic driving!




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#9 7 years ago

I don't drive myself but it is difficult to comment as I know plenty of people who can drive well when smoking and driving fast etc.

The problem is like nem said-the freaking driver.

is people who believe they can handle their car if something goes wrong; either because their car is fantastic or they think they're god's gift to drivers

I fucking hate boy racers. Even in a small town like mine there is still a group. Up one of the main hills (the school is at the top right near my house) is a nice long straight into upper Sheringham and they have little drag races, it may be fairly straight but theres still bends and 2 parts where you can't actually see over the hill. The amount of nobs my age, who I know, who do that need a kicking.

One of the best moments was when the bloek my ex left me for crashed his car (which he overly loved) straight into the back of his mates and lost his license. One of the best days ever...




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#10 7 years ago

Crusader;5581986I think its a mix of everything, including speed, the arguement of "everyone goes fast anyway" doesnt matter. You blasting down the Motorway at 90mph in Heavy rain and you aint gonna stop, even at the actual speed limit of 70 you aint got a chance. Distance is a big thing, bigger than speed, but speed is still a problem, along with not paying attention and tiredness and people driving like general idiots[/QUOTE]I concur. It isn't just about the speed you're driving at, but also the weather conditions. If its raining, you've got less traction. If it's misty or foggy, you've less visibility. Road conditions are something that you should take into account.

Nemmerle;5581992I just ease off the gas a little when people start tailgating. They get the message fairly quickly.[QUOTE=Inyri Forge;5581994]I do that until they go around me. At least if they're going to drive like a psycho it won't be me they take with them. Thumbs up to strategic driving!

Depending on the circumstances, and what vehicle it is behind me, I tap the breaks. They soon get the message, either they back off, or they overtake.

Ironically, half the people that are in a rush only end up seeing you again at the end of the road when they've been stopped by traffic lights or whatever. Seems a bit pointless speeding if you think about it that way.




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