Wanna go Double Dutch?
9th December 2003
I was just browsing through my TV guide, the "VPRO gids" or "VPRO guide". It's a guide produced by the Dutch broadcasting organisation VPRO (one of many public broadcasting organisations, all of which air on the three public broadcasting channels known as Nederland 1/2/3.
Anyway, it had a short article on one of their advertisements being censored by Youtube:
VPRO TV guide article YouTube censors VPRO YouTube has removed the promo which VPRO used to make the public aware of it's filmseries Cinema Erotica on June 6th 2008. "Removed due to violation of YouTube's Comunityguidelines" the YouTube team informed the VPRO. Basically: Too much nudity. This promo, with music from Bert de Coninck and images from (among others) De wachtkamer van Jos Stelling en L'Empire des sens van Nagisa Ohsima, were placed on youtube on May 29th. There the clip was watched over 5.592 times in one week.Filmlovers who became curious are in luck however, because the promo still can be and willbe displayed on television. Apparantly the public broadcasting channels/service tolerates more then YouTube.
Source: VPRO guide #25: June 21-June 27 2008.
This also reminded me of various other pretty harmless stuff that was completely removed or with restricted access (only registered users of a certain age may access the material). I guess it has to do a lot with cultural backrounds that some footage gets removed or restricted. I haven't seen the promo myself but guessing from what the public broadcasting company does and does not tolerated it will most likely contain simple, innocent nudity (which is also implied by the term erotica, which implies it's erotic material rather then pornographic material). It's quite silly/funny of you think about it and realize that something that can be aired on Dutch television isn't tolerated on a site such as youtube...
In my opinion pretty much anything should be tolerated on videosites like youtube, including violent clips, nudity and so on. Pornography may be rejected, not because of it's contents but to prevent a site from become dominated by tons of porn. Sure, there are certain risks involved such as an underaged person seeing some nudity, but what's the harm in that if we are talking about simple nudity or erotic material? I can't see it mentally affecting a child for life if he sees a chick stripping or something...
As for violent movies: This is a more though cookie. Videos with explicit graphic material should be tolerated to show the world about the horrible events that go on around the world. On the other hand, such material could also lead to copycat behaviour. So I'm a bit two sided on this. I guess that in I would allow such footage to begin with, though if reported I would consider removing it if it was clearly discriminating/hate/bullying footage (think along the lines of happy slappers and some extreme cases of bullying).
Oh and I also get quite frustrated when I want to check a movie and it's censored (or even removed) because it show a dead body or two or a wounded civilian or soldier or simular action. Googling will often bring up a freely accesable source anyway and lying about your age is also quite easy. It just pisses people of like me who do not want to register in order to obtain acces to some video material.
Oh and I guess all this also brings up other kinds of internet censorship (sich as google censoring sites for chinese citizens). My guideline would simply be: Make it public to all and review material for removal if it may fuel hatred (copycat behaviour, promoting bullying, making fun of a victem of bullying etc.).
Its the American mind set. Violence is ok (except in video games) and sex is always evil. I noticed when I was in Europe a much higher tolerance for sexual images then America. Its just the way our culture formed. Since YouTube is American I'm sure they are somewhat influenced in their censorship policies. I'm not saying any of it is right though. I'm personally a big fan of people censoring things themselves. If they don't want to see certain materials then don't watch it or find a censored version.
Interesting idea. Make censoring movies more accessible at homes. (copyright BS may stop this). But if a parent finds a movie is good but is uncomfortable about a scene or two. Have an easy program available for cutting that section out.
I didn't read that because my attention span isn't long enough, but something tells me even if Youtube was European it wouldn't have a lot of hardcore porn.
Yeah, I wouldn't want Youtube to be so lax as to allow porn because I'd really not want to have to sort through porn to find other videos I need, but I don't at all see a reason to remove nudity or violence. With nudity, it's just the human body, get over it people. I've got a penis, that chick as some tits, we're different, get over it.
With violence, I mean really, violence is a socially ingrained part of our lives. Even sports are simply directed violence. Better to have a harmless outlet for it such as a video, movie, or game.
I guess . . directed violence? Toward a ball. A stretch, but yes. The attraction isn't on the "violence," so I guess you could define it as that.
Ihaterednecks;4392632I guess . . directed violence? Toward a ball. A stretch, but yes. The attraction isn't on the "violence," so I guess you could define it as that.
Well, some sports I should say. Both American and Euro Football, wrestling, UFC(those two are blatantly violent though) Lacrosse, and Hockey for instance.
Sex = life, violence = death
You would think that sex would be permissible and violence and killing wouldnt.
I even feel the effects of the culture: If I see a porno with someone else I get embarrassed but if I see a gory horror movie I wouldnt.
Heaven's gonna burn your eyes
15th April 2005
I wouldn't mind a Youtube rating system, more complicated than the current one.
Something along the lines of a R18, R16, R13 flag, so that you could filter out results that were not what you were after, rather than getting to a video and needing to login, or verify your age (as it currently does).
Afterburner;4392634Well, some sports I should say. Both American and Euro Football, wrestling, UFC(those two are blatantly violent though) Lacrosse, and Hockey for instance.
If you call Pro Wrestling a sport I will pound your face in.