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Kwould

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#61 12 years ago
do_NOt_ENTRY;3676644I wouldn't particularly want a member of family to have died so that i can knock a few dollars from a petrol bill. There's no dignity in that.

This "blood for oil" thing has spun out of control. Knock a few dollars from a petrol bill??? At the start of the Iraq war, the price of oil was under $25(that's roughly 13 sterling) a barrel. Now it is $70! If the US really wanted oil that bad, we could just go to Alaska and get it. Do I agree with invading Iraq in the first place? No. The reasonings behind it that were given to the public were stupid and later proven to be untrue. Sadaam was a joke, a heckler, and that WAS proven to be true. However, pulling out now would be terribly irresponsible. Does no one remember Afghanistan in the 80's? We went over there to help drive the Soviets out and then left as soon as it became "inconvenient". The Afghans fell into civil war and what was left of it's government was overtaken by a immensely oppresive theocracy. Something similar will happen to Iraq if the US just walks away now.




Benzin

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#62 12 years ago

Hmmm, Kwould you raise some interesting points. besides the fact that there was an unifinished war between Iraq and America; being a harsh dictator and killing hundreds of thousands of people the reasons for going to war and stopping it were untrue? :rolleyes:




do_NOt_ENTRY

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#63 12 years ago

Disturbing Sam;3676666Just how many children do you think Bush has! Can you not, for once, just appreciate (Or show appreciation) of what they're doing? They're giving their time and their lives to find the solution![/QUOTE]

It doesn't just have to be Bush, it can be Blair, or any of the members of parliament that agreed with the war. Solution to what? The solution to what they, themselves started?

hey won't just pull out of Iraq while the Taliban and Saddam's supporters are still a threat will they?

Great, so they're gonna be there forever. Like i said, killing Iraqis, regardless of whether they are hostile or not, will only lead to more people joining the fight against the war. It's a battle against a never ending army, and on that we can't will.

[quote=Kwould;3676800]This "blood for oil" thing has spun out of control. Knock a few dollars from a petrol bill??? At the start of the Iraq war, the price of oil was under $25(that's roughly 13 sterling) a barrel. Now it is $70! If the US really wanted oil that bad, we could just go to Alaska and get it.

Well, obviously the invasion is still going on. Once the Americans have "won", i'm sure they'll take all the oil they need. They're not gonna be able to set up many pipes in hostile environments. The reason it's expensive now is because they're fighting the country they are getting it from. :lol:

If anything, that only serves as evidence that Iraq is indeed a major contributer to America's oil industry and thus, would be largely in America's favour to capture control of.

Do I agree with invading Iraq in the first place? No. The reasonings behind it that were given to the public were stupid and later proven to be untrue. Sadaam was a joke, a heckler, and that WAS proven to be true.

Glad you agree. We went there looking for WMD. None were found, therefore the war is invalid and illegal.

However, pulling out now would be terribly irresponsible. Does no one remember Afghanistan in the 80's? We went over there to help drive the Soviets out and then left as soon as it became "inconvenient". The Afghans fell into civil war and what was left of it's government was overtaken by a immensely oppresive theocracy. Something similar will happen to Iraq if the US just walks away now.

That is a good point. But the fact is that the situation isn't going to get any better. Like i said before, we're fighting a never-ending army. Thousands of people are dying on either side, and for what?

The whole country's beliefs are built upon ideals that are more suited to a middle-aged civilisation. Western society and Islam are two completely contradicting religions.

Freedom of speech V Death for speaking against the prophet. Democracy v A leader who is "chosen by god" Freedom of women v oppression of women

I could go on for ages, but you get the idea. We are two opposites and there is nothing they had more than the western world, particularly America, imposing their own diplomatic ways.

There is nothing we can do to stop them fighting each other.




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#64 12 years ago
Cat_Fuzz;3673173At least Blair has shown half a bollock by half-admitting that Iraq has gone tits-up with his 'retirement speech' yesterday. I don't see any sign of Bush comin' of that Texan high horse he's so firmly planted his a** on.

Hear, hear.

About the only decent thing Blair has done for our country but at least we can admire him for it. All Bush has done is sit down and choke on pretzels without a care in the world for the US troops.




Hellknight1993

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#65 12 years ago
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[COLOR=black]Mate youve completly taken this thread off track! Its about the whole feeling of the troops and how they are as humans, this isnt about the [/COLOR] [COLOR=black][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]Politically[/COLOR] bull$hit that goes on behind the scenes. Its about the service people ok. Feel it. Leave Bush and his cronies out of it ok. ;)[/COLOR][/COLOR]




Kwould

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#66 12 years ago
Disturbing Sam;3676809Hmmm, Kwould you raise some interesting points. besides the fact that there was an unifinished war between Iraq and America; being a harsh dictator and killing hundreds of thousands of people the reasons for going to war and stopping it were untrue? :rolleyes:[/quote] On the contrary, those reasons are absolutely true. However, they were not the reasons the Whitehouse gave. If they would have said "let's take the fight against terrorism to someone elses turf and fight them with people trained to do so" (instead of say, civilians in tall buildings or the Underground) I may have been more on board from the beginning. That is beside the point though. Simply stated, now that we are there we need to finish the job. [quote=B@SE;3677319][COLOR=black]Mate youve completly taken this thread off track! Its about the whole feeling of the troops and how they are as humans, this isnt about the [/COLOR] [COLOR=black][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]Politically[/COLOR] bull$hit that goes on behind the scenes. Its about the service people ok. Feel it. Leave Bush and his cronies out of it ok. ;)[/COLOR][/COLOR]

Cheers to [EMAIL="B@se"]B@se[/EMAIL]! The troops need our support regardless of anyone's personal beliefs. To here people argue about "what they are doing there" certainly doesn't help their morale.




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#67 12 years ago
B@SE;3677319[COLOR=black]Mate youve completly taken this thread off track! Its about the whole feeling of the troops and how they are as humans, this isnt about the [/COLOR] [COLOR=black][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]Politically[/COLOR] bull$hit that goes on behind the scenes. Its about the service people ok. Feel it. Leave Bush and his cronies out of it ok. ;)[/COLOR][/COLOR]

I don't want anyone to think that those troops have anything other than the utmost respect from me. Believe me.

I just thought some things should be said, and i said them; so i won't say anything more.




Hellknight1993

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#68 12 years ago

^ Its ok for sure DNE, but we have to respect the poor people that are over there and not get involved with any 'Vietnam type shit throwing' at the troops. Peace my friend. :)