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Nemmerle Forum Mod

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#1 5 years ago

Like, completely off the deep end:

Conservative MPs launch attempt to bring back death penalty, privatise the BBC and ban burka - Telegraph

What the hell? Just. There are no words adequate to express that stupidity.

Among the absolute gems, bringing back national service and the death penalty. Sure, what great ideas.

Those MPs behind the alternative legislative programme say it is a “genuine attempt” to show what policies a future Conservative government could deliver.

Some people are completely out of touch with reality.

[SIZE="1"]Though at least Margaret Thatcher day is somewhat laughable.[/SIZE]

Jesus. I knew some of those people had a rather... passing... acquaintance with reality, but still. :cort:

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#2 5 years ago
Nemmerle;5703138 This gob-smacked rant brought to you by someone who honestly thought they were reading an onion article at first.

Please, don't besmirch the good name of...

...the Onion =p


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#3 5 years ago

It was about time someone flipped over the "new" Conservative party rock to reveal the slime-coated, squirming horrors beneath. I didn't think it would be the creepy-crawlies themselves that would do it, though. I mean, are they trying to sabotage their own party or something? Is this a Tea Party thing? Or are they just 100% certain they won't be getting in next time either way and so they figured, "why not"? In any case, these proposals seem to amount to a full laundry-list of right-wing reactionary insanity so it should at least be cathartic to watch them get the absolute kicking they deserve.




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#4 5 years ago

Those 3 ideas mentioned in the headline aren't so unusual for a conservative party though?

Not a big fan of the death penalty myself, but I can see how you'd use that to win votes, put up a few pictures of that crazy dude who hacked to death a British soldier recently and you will have public support. If the BBC is anything like the German public TV/radio mafia then I'd support any measure to have it removed (again, if you are out for votes it would be easy to profit from scandals such as the pedophilia coverup). And Burkas? I don't really care what people put on their heads, but we (Germans) already ban symbols of ideologies we dislike, so one more isn't going to make a big difference. I'd be more worried about the implications for people who dislike government surveillance.




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#5 5 years ago

The Conservative Party always had politically incorrect persons, most notably Enoch Powell. The reason some of them making these policies is pretty clear, Tories that have no own line are losing voters from both sides, especially to the UKIP.

Privatizing the BBC sounds good, TV license fees are very old-fashioned and as far as I know those fees are quite a lot currently. In the Internet age thinking some state-run official "Pravda", a media monolith, being some sort of objective truth and a voice for democracy is silly. Take for example newspapers, they are not state-run and still there are some very good outlets (while some are not). A state-run media becomes self-serving for the 23,000 employees the BBC has. Maybe some sort of a government agency should archive British television history though, that's pretty much the only merit of government ownership in that area.

I don't know if bringing the death penalty back is very relevant now, but on an idea level it's very defensible atleast in the US. But establishing a national service back, that I would never support.

As for banning the burka, I don't really care even if I don't like Islam. Obviously some are pressured to wear it, whereas others wear it fully voluntarily. But it should be a question whether concealing your face in public should be acceptable in Britain. It does limit your capability to interact with others and public institutions. Whether it's walking around with a burka or a balaclava (IRA).




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#6 5 years ago
Rikupsoni;5703191Privatizing the BBC sounds good, TV license fees are very old-fashioned and as far as I know those fees are quite a lot currently. In the Internet age thinking some state-run official "Pravda", a media monolith, being some sort of objective truth and some sort of a voice for democracy is silly.

In what actual sense is the BBC less objective than its privately-funded competitors, and how does that relate to its being a state-owned broadcaster?




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#7 5 years ago
Emperor Benedictine;5703193In what actual sense is the BBC less objective than its privately-funded competitors, and how does that relate to its being a state-owned broadcaster?

It's not less objective, but not more objective either. The latter is used as an argument for having a state-sponsored media.

The BBC board, BBC Trust, is appointed on the advice by the government. Whilst the BBC itself may not drive that many agendas, it's the journalists that matter. If you're a columnist on the BBC website, you can write from the very same point-of-view that you prefer all the time. This, of course, is same with private medias that are 'non-aligned'. But atleast you don't have to pay for all of them if you don't even use them, unlike BBC.




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#8 5 years ago
MrFancypants;5703182Those 3 ideas mentioned in the headline aren't so unusual for a conservative party though?

I think it's pretty extreme for main stream politics in the UK, Fancy. More the sort of thing I'd expect to hear from the BNP or someone like that than from politicians in gov. Arguably growing up during a time that was almost exclusively Labour has given me a warped view of quite how extreme the Conservatives are, but in the last election they were trying to forward themselves as a more centre-right party than Thatcher and the like to try to get more votes. Like Emperor Benedictine said,

'[A]re they trying to sabotage their own party or something? Is this a Tea Party thing? Or are they just 100% certain they won't be getting in next time either way and so they figured, "why not"?'

It just seems so much like an attempt at suicide in the context of the tone of my experience with British society.




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#9 5 years ago
Nemmerle;5703289 in the last election they were trying to forward themselves as a more centre-right party than Thatcher and the like to try to get more votes.

You are comparing two things in an unneeded way. What constituted 'Thatcherism' were mostly radical pro-market reforms. Not very conservative. The economical conservatives in the party opposing her were for the old 1950s concensus. These things mentioned here are conservatism though, with the exception of privatizing the BBC.

Arguably growing up during a time that was almost exclusively Labour has given me a warped view of quite how extreme the Conservatives are

Anyone who dissents from the lefist concensus is an extremist? Because admittedly the conservatives and the Labour have had pretty much a common agreement on things like the EU, immigration and many social issues. Given how much demand there is for the UKIP, there is a need for more right-wing policies.

You shouldn't get annoyed just because someone has conservative views. Someone thinking outside of the box that you perceive as 'absolute progression', how dares he. The paradox of being so 'tolerant' that you can't stand people who have different views. You probably aren't surprised by a socialist who thinks some industry should be nationalised or who supports policy thriving for no-one getting a high income, that's the bias.

Think of the meaning of the words 'progressive' and 'reactionary' mentioned here. Every change towards any direction is good and every old thing was bad?




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#10 5 years ago

Nemmerle;5703138Like, completely off the deep end:

Conservative MPs launch attempt to bring back death penalty, privatise the BBC and ban burka - Telegraph

What the hell? Just. There are no words adequate to express that stupidity.

Among the absolute gems, bringing back national service and the death penalty. Sure, what great ideas.

Some people are completely out of touch with reality.

[SIZE="1"]Though at least Margaret Thatcher day is somewhat laughable.[/SIZE]

Jesus. I knew some of those people had a rather... passing... acquaintance with reality, but still. :cort:

This gob-smacked rant brought to you by someone who honestly thought they were reading an onion article at first.

I actually support the privatisation of the BBC. The others are indeed laughable, but that one is an idea I have been supportive of since I first knew what the BBC was and what it and its licence fees represent.




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