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BlitZ, The 57th

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#1 11 years ago

What is the difference between a count, duke, baron and vassal? I know a steward is a caretaker of sorts but with authority. I googled define: but all I got were european noblemen, western noblemen....




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#2 11 years ago
BlitZ, The 57th;5226229What is the difference between a count, duke, baron and vassal? I know a steward is a caretaker of sorts but with authority. I googled define: but all I got were european noblemen, western noblemen....

There is a sort of nobleman hierarchy where different titles imply how much territory you have control over and some other privileges. Vassal is probably just an abstract term for any noblemen that are subject to a specific other nobleman.

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#3 11 years ago

A vassal is someone who has sworn a fealty to his liege. It can any kind of nobleman, knight whatever. It's a general term in a feudal hierarchy.

The rest are noblemen who have been granted a certain land. Usually this land in itself held the title. (similar to an archbishop and bishop)

The duke was one of the highest ranks. I believe many kingdoms before becoming kingdoms were soveriegn dukeries? dutcheries? not sure

Baron's on the other hand tend to be on the lower range of ranks.

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all the ranks are here Count - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




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#4 11 years ago

Counts can turn into bats and drink blood. Dukes are mostly musicians like Duke Ellington. Barons used to fly planes but now make pizza. A Vassal is a regional pronunciation of the word Vessel.




BlitZ, The 57th

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#5 11 years ago

Well, now I know which rank is higher than the other but I still don't quite get some of them. Although somehow wiki mentioned a duke is more or less a military commander.




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#6 11 years ago

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A duke was the highest rank of peerage, commander of a Duchy.

A baron was the lowest rank of peerage, they controlled a single barony - a smaller amount of land than a Duchy.

Traditionally a peer was a member of the aristocracy summoned to make up a king's parliament of advisers. This would be something like 1100AD. Your position depended upon your wealth/power, which in those days meant land.

A vassal is someone who has mutual obligations with a monarch.




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#7 11 years ago

So its something like. Lets say a group of peers are under this king. Their title was based on how much land they owned and thus more authority?

E.g. Peer A has 5 land, Peer B has 2 land. Peer A would be a duchy, whilst peer B a baron?




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#8 11 years ago

Pretty much.

Like Nem said, land was the measure of power and wealth much as houses and cars are today.




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#9 11 years ago
So its something like. Lets say a group of peers are under this king. Their title was based on how much land they owned and thus more authority?

I'd actually say that it depends more on the importance of the land than size itself. Also keep in mind that a sovereign nation if not a kingdom could be a dutchery without having any direct vassal lines to kings or emperors.

Admittedly most of these dutcheries later became kingdoms but the point still stands.

Also sometimes smaller, but economically more important locations might have been given a higher status.