Do you believe in geniuses? 8 replies

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Aeroflot

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#1 10 years ago

I am not sure if I believe in geniuses. Someone does something or creates something that is helpful to humanity and all of a sudden they are geniuses. The word is thrown around so much and then people actually believe people like Lennon are geniuses. Then the 'little' people who believe these lies are given false sense and believe they can never do great things because they themselves are not geniuses like Edison. It is hard work and determination people. The word genius sounds like some creation of the bourgeois to put down the little people and keep them from equaling out the social classes, although that is probably taking it too far.

To add, people with average IQs I think have the same chance of doing something deemed 'genius' as those with high IQ. That is if the 'dumber' person is willing to put in the hard work necessary.




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#2 10 years ago

I think "gifted and talented" people certainly exist, though how much of that is nature, and how much is nurture I'm unsure about.

There was a story today about a Down Syndrome boy who didn't begin to talk until he was 4, but is now a champion speechmaker, and he picked up an award at Government House this morning. Is that a natural ability, or years of specialist teaching?




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#3 10 years ago

Yes, I do.

There is a Twelve year old doing Calculus BC (Or something like that) at our school.




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#4 10 years ago

In response to the thread title, geniuses are, by definition, the smartest certain percentage of the population, and so mathematically must exist.




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#5 10 years ago

Not all people are created equal and not all people live equally. There are people who are better at certain tasks than others, whether by nurture or by nature. I think it goes without saying that a combat vet will probably be better at clearing a building than a five year old, comparably he is a genius at that task and the five year old a retard - at those points of their development at least. The error comes when people apply this ideology to mean that geniuses are better at everything or that those not as skilled in that area cannot accomplish anything worthwhile or better themselves.




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#6 10 years ago

Geniuses study every, single, day. They don't do much else. Einstein had an IQ of, what, 160? What do you think he did every day?




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#7 10 years ago

Mozart was a genius. Beethoven was a genius. Hunter S. Thompson was a genius. Einstein was a genius. Shakespeare was a genius.

I'm sure there are geniuses floating around the Earth somewhere in the Information Age, but the media wouldn't let you know about it. They want to drown us with mediocrity and bile, to keep us absent of free thought and the possibility of hope arising in the future. It's really fucking sad when you think about it.




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#8 10 years ago

Nemmerle;4572231Not all people are created equal and not all people live equally. There are people who are better at certain tasks than others, whether by nurture or by nature. I think it goes without saying that a combat vet will probably be better at clearing a building than a five year old, comparably he is a genius at that task and the five year old a retard - at those points of their development at least. The error comes when people apply this ideology to mean that geniuses are better at everything or that those not as skilled in that area cannot accomplish anything worthwhile or better themselves.[/QUOTE] Bravo. Bravo. :clap:

You must spread some rep around before giving it to Nem again..

Indeed. Genius is so a poor term. Instead, let us consider the masters of a trade.

Some people are Book Smart, Some are Street Smart. Some rise to be masters in their trade.

Perhaps what differentiates a Master, from a Genius, is the level of creativity in creating something both new and functional.

[QUOTE=Jeffro;4572279]I'm sure there are geniuses floating around the Earth somewhere in the Information Age, but the media wouldn't let you know about it. They want to drown us with mediocrity and bile, to keep us absent of free thought and the possibility of hope arising in the future. It's really fucking sad when you think about it.

Way to keep it positive.

Unfortunately, it is difficult for a single individual to rise up as exceptional, because so many things require the creativity of multiple individuals. "Co-Created by".

In addition, modern technology allows for collaboration on such a scale, that one does not need to be an absolute genius to bring forth a highly creative idea.




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#9 10 years ago

Yes, I think geniuses exist. Do I think Lennon was a genius? Not what we would consider a "genius" when compared to Edison, Einstein, or Hawking, but as a musical Genius. He brought many things into mind and turned the wheels in people's heads that had never seen the grease of imagination and the gasoline of music (I dunno, just throwing metaphors in there). Science, math, economic, and social geniuses input things into society that can be seen (whether it's a physical object, or a figure like spending and savings). Lennon gave us the invention of thought and inspiration in his music.

Also, I don't think all child geniuses will grow up to do great things and continue on their fame and minds. They're kinda like child actors, they may hit it big once or twice, and shine in the lime light for a few years, but a lot of them drift back in to society to live among those that never hit that golden opportunity. All that a lot of them did was make a connection that nobody else did. Sure, a lot of people do this, but not all of them market it or bring it out the right way to be given to society, and most people don't realize what they have to do to make it useful to the world. All that inventions and geniuses are now-a-days is a marketing tool. Who can get their ideas and work the biggest, and who can make it the most appealing?